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[8X+] port $24 question
« on: July 31, 2019, 01:32:14 am »
Welcome.

I'm currently writing a tiny routine that makes all ROM space executable.
So, it will of course write to ports $22 & $23, but i'm not sure about how they both interact with port $24.
According to the wiki, bits 0 & 1 of port $24 are working as bits 8 of ports $22 & $23 respectively.
Fine.
So, i would expect that no matter how those 2 bits are configured, it would not change anything to the actual execution permission range defined by $22 & $23, since no 8X+ calculator has more than 256 rom pages.

But then, here comes that statement, that makes no sense if those bits are actually ignored :
"Since no 8 MB flash chip exists, this port in effect overrides port 23 and is overridden by port port 22."
How should i understand it ?
Like, let's say i have port $22 set to $80, and port $24-bit0 set to 1.
Does that mean that the ASIC will allow execution on all pages below $180, in other words all of them ? (instead of pages below $80 like i expected)
Even if that's true, i still don't understand why port $24 would "override" port $23 but not $22.
Am i the only one confused ?

Thanks in advance for your time.
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Re: [8X+] port $24 question
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2019, 07:46:51 am »
That is really confusing wording. I think your interpretation is most likely:
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Does that mean that the ASIC will allow execution on all pages below $180, in other words all of them ?
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Re: [8X+] port $24 question
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2019, 12:20:30 pm »
Yeah, that word "override" has been bothering me for years, actually.
Looks like i'm gonna have to test something myself, since unfortunately, port $24 emulation appears to be lazy enough =[
But i really have to think about it deeply while coding, cause such testing could be dangerous, even if the ram resets, which is one of the outcomes.
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Re: [8X+] port $24 question
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2019, 01:36:18 pm »
Out of curiosity, what is your goal with unlocking the execution? Are you just trying to to it for the sake of doing it or do you have some specific use case in mind?
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Re: [8X+] port $24 question
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2019, 01:53:58 pm »
Just risked my ass on real hardware, port $24 bits aren't ignored.
So no matter how much rom pages you really have, both rom execution limits will always be defined using 9-bits values.
The good thing about it is that loading %00000001 in port $24 makes all rom executable with just 1 writing, no matter how $22 & $23 are configured.

Quote from: E37 on July 31, 2019, 01:36:18 pm
Out of curiosity, what is your goal with unlocking the execution? Are you just trying to to it for the sake of doing it or do you have some specific use case in mind?
2 purposes :
1) a universal low-level routines collection, mostly for sharing
2) a long-term project, where execution from rom should be a thing
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Re: [8X+] port $24 question
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2019, 02:26:54 pm »
What's the risk with using real hardware? Sure you are running code with flash unlocked but you are hardly likely to corrupt things. Maybe if you set it so that none of flash is executable and it gets stuck in a reset loop but unless the port lets you deny execution on page 0 the OS should fix it... right? I know the OS does some strange things but I'd be really surprised if it doesn't set the executable limits for flash on boot. It does with the RAM execution.
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Re: [8X+] port $24 question
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2019, 02:46:37 pm »
Having some vital boot|system pages becoming non-executable was something i was considering, which could have happened easily with crappy code.
Like you said, port $24 is probably initialised if things go south, but when you're not sure of something in asm, paranoia is total awareness.
And an old chinese coder used to say "Never overestimate TI.".

EDIT : And even if such port $24 "repair" code exists, it's useless if it's located on a non-executable page itself. #CanYouSmellTheBrick?
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Re: [8X+] port $24 question
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2019, 05:43:31 pm »
Quote from: the_mad_joob on July 31, 2019, 02:46:37 pm
Having some vital boot|system pages becoming non-executable was something i was considering, which could have happened easily with crappy code.
Like you said, port $24 is probably initialised if things go south, but when you're not sure of something in asm, paranoia is total awareness.
And an old chinese coder used to say "Never overestimate TI.".

EDIT : And even if such port $24 "repair" code exists, it's useless if it's located on a non-executable page itself. #CanYouSmellTheBrick?

It's pretty hard to brick a TI-84. Outside of hardware fault (which I think I saw once in 4 years), I think only brandonW has succeeded in permanently bricking a TI-84. Both he and I have temporarily bricked them by corrupting the certificate, but it's usually possible to fix this by buffer overflowing the boot code link-port receive commands and then clearing out the certificate. (His perma-brick was a maliciously crafted certificate so hardly possible to do by accident.)

There's a new way we discovered to brick your calculator which would be to overwrite the boot code, but you have to be trying to do this and I doubt anyone's ever done it.


But, onto, "what happens to port $24?". In some rather sketchy experiments where I did overwrite the boot code, I mapped out the starting values of all the ports. It turns out that when the calculator restarts (be it a battery pull or internal kill signal), all of the ports get reset to default values. You can find those values here.

Also, the boot code initializes a bunch of stuff. Here's some code from boot code 1.03:
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ROM:41B5 loc_41B5:                               ; CODE XREF: ROM:41ACj
ROM:41B5                 pop     af
ROM:41B6                 ld      a, 2
ROM:41B8                 out     (2Dh), a
ROM:41BA                 call    setupLinkHandler
ROM:41BD                 ld      a, 17h
ROM:41BF                 out     (29h), a
ROM:41C1                 ld      a, 27h ; '''
ROM:41C3                 out     (2Ah), a
ROM:41C5                 ld      a, 2Fh ; '/'
ROM:41C7                 out     (2Bh), a
ROM:41C9                 ld      a, 3Bh ; ';'
ROM:41CB                 out     (2Ch), a
ROM:41CD                 ld      a, 45h ; 'E'
ROM:41CF                 out     (2Eh), a
ROM:41D1                 ld      a, 4Bh ; 'K'
ROM:41D3                 out     (2Fh), a
ROM:41D5                 ld      a, 0
ROM:41D7                 nop
ROM:41D8                 nop
ROM:41D9                 im      1
ROM:41DB                 di
ROM:41DC                 out     (21h), a
ROM:41DE                 di
ROM:41DF                 ld      a, 8
ROM:41E1                 nop
ROM:41E2                 nop
ROM:41E3                 im      1
ROM:41E5                 di
ROM:41E6                 out     (22h), a
ROM:41E8                 di
ROM:41E9                 ld      a, 29h ; ')'
ROM:41EB                 nop
ROM:41EC                 nop
ROM:41ED                 im      1
ROM:41EF                 di
ROM:41F0                 out     (23h), a
ROM:41F2                 di
ROM:41F3                 ld      a, 10h
ROM:41F5                 nop
ROM:41F6                 nop
ROM:41F7                 im      1
ROM:41F9                 di
ROM:41FA                 out     (25h), a
ROM:41FC                 di
ROM:41FD                 ld      a, 20h ; ' '
ROM:41FF                 nop
ROM:4200                 nop
ROM:4201                 im      1
ROM:4203                 di
ROM:4204                 out     (26h), a
ROM:4206                 di
ROM:4207                 xor     a
ROM:4208                 out     (0Eh), a
ROM:420A                 out     (0Fh), a
ROM:420C                 out     (5), a
ROM:420E                 ld      a, 3Fh ; '?'
ROM:4210                 out     (6), a
ROM:4212                 ld      a, 0F0h ; '='
ROM:4214                 out     (39h), a
ROM:4216                 ld      a, 20h ; ' '
ROM:4218                 out     (4Ah), a
ROM:421A                 push    af
ROM:421B                 xor     a
ROM:421C                 nop
ROM:421D                 nop
ROM:421E                 im      1
ROM:4220                 di
ROM:4221                 out     (14h), a
ROM:4223                 di
ROM:4224                 or      a
ROM:4225                 jp      nz, unk_0
ROM:4228                 pop     af
ROM:4229                 ld      a, 80h ; 'Ç'
ROM:422B                 out     (7), a
ROM:422D                 call    bootCSCScan
ROM:4230                 cp      38h ; '8'
ROM:4232                 jr      z, loc_4279
ROM:4234                 cp      20h ; ' '
ROM:4236                 jr      z, loc_4270
ROM:4238                 ld      a, (byte_38)
ROM:423B                 cp      0FFh
ROM:423D                 jr      z, loc_424B
ROM:423F                 ld      hl, (word_56)
ROM:4242                 ld      bc, 0A55Ah
ROM:4245                 or      a
ROM:4246                 sbc     hl, bc
ROM:4248                 jp      z, unk_53
ROM:424B ; START OF FUNCTION CHUNK FOR sub_461A
ROM:424B
ROM:424B loc_424B:                               ; CODE XREF: ROM:423Dj
ROM:424B                                         ; sub_461A-7Aj ...
ROM:424B                 ld      sp, 0FFC5h
ROM:424E                 ld      a, 6
ROM:4250                 out     (4), a
ROM:4252                 call    initCalc
ROM:4255                 xor     a
ROM:4256                 out     (20h), a
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Re: [8X+] port $24 question
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2019, 06:17:31 am »
Quote from: thepenguin77 on August 11, 2019, 05:43:31 pm
But, onto, "what happens to port $24?". In some rather sketchy experiments where I did overwrite the boot code, I mapped out the starting values of all the ports. It turns out that when the calculator restarts (be it a battery pull or internal kill signal), all of the ports get reset to default values.
Thanks for sharing =]
So, if i understand correctly, "what" resets the ports to default values is "outside" of the boot code itself?
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