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Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« on: June 29, 2010, 01:02:09 am »
I have posted this both here and on cemetech.


Would it be possible to have a patch made for a TI-84+ SE or any type of graphing calc so that you create a System Restore point, just like on Windows. And that this "restore point" should encompass the OS itself, archive, RAM (optional), and the certificate. And, if anything should happen that would make your calc's OS go down or even the certificate be damaged, the calc intercepts the corresponding error message and gives you the option of entering System Restore, and undoing whatever caused the problem.

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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2010, 01:12:08 am »
See omnicalcs Ram Recovery, though if you have an 84+ that is missing the extra ram you are out of luck, for that option. There is also the Archive Undeleter which can be found on ticalc.org if you search for it.

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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2010, 04:48:31 am »
I gave my two cents on cemetech ;) System restore points will really be hard/not efficient in calcs...

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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2010, 06:25:29 am »
You'd need a lot of memory (hopefully in flash) to store all of that. On the other hand, you can store the following without much empty space:

1. All of RAM (assuming you have one of those old SE calcs with the extra RAM pages)
2. Certificate (since it's not that big (I think; does someone know exactly how large it is?))
3. Any Archive you accidentally deleted (not cleared) since your last Garbage Collect (before that, it's gone :()

On the other hand, if you really corrupted your calc, the restore point itself would likely be ruined, so there'd be no point in trying. (Unless, of course, you somehow stored that in a separate driver or something, unaffected by crashes -- don't know how you'd do that, though.)

Anyway, why not just use the built-in computer backup function? I realize it'd be tedious to do a lot of backups, but complete crashes don't happen that often, either...




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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2010, 07:10:21 am »
Certificate is 16KB, like an app.

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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2010, 08:32:22 am »
If you wanted to calc restore, would you lack the space for it because it encompasses so much? (RAM, OS, Archive)
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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2010, 10:41:45 am »
I'm pretty sure the OS is way too big to backup (I think it's 540 KB for just the 83 Plus :(), RAM could potentially be stored in either the extra RAM pages (if you have those :(), and archive is just too big to duplicate (unless you had almost nothing there :().

Besides, where would you store it?

EDIT: BRILLIANT IDEA: USB8X, maybe?
« Last Edit: June 29, 2010, 10:42:42 am by Deep Thought »




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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2010, 11:15:05 am »
^++
This.
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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2010, 11:17:30 am »
Restoring to USB8x would be nice

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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 10:33:44 am »
That's a neat idea, only how would you get the data off the flash drive and onto the calc if the calc is "destroyed"? :)
« Last Edit: July 01, 2010, 10:33:54 am by ztrumpet »

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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 09:17:40 pm »
Is there some way to make the calculator boot off a thumb drive? Or maybe some new 3rd-party OS could add that functionality. (If I'm wrong, please correct me! (Sorry for stealing your line, ztrumpet, but there's a really good chance I'm wrong since I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.))
« Last Edit: July 01, 2010, 09:17:55 pm by Deep Thought »




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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2010, 09:41:01 pm »
that would rule ^^

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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2010, 10:24:08 pm »
Is there some way to make the calculator boot off a thumb drive? Or maybe some new 3rd-party OS could add that functionality.
It's possible.  I'm pretty sure you could hook into the OS just right to make it boot off a flash drive.  However, I'm pretty sure it would be incredibly complex but it would be awesome. ;D

(If I'm wrong, please correct me! (Sorry for stealing your line, ztrumpet, but there's a really good chance I'm wrong since I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.))
lol, that's pretty much why I leave that line there.  I do things like this too... ;D

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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2010, 10:36:13 pm »
* Deep Thought asks SirCmpwn if this could be added as a potential KOS feature request?
« Last Edit: July 01, 2010, 10:37:50 pm by Deep Thought »




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Re: Calc System Restore- Is it Possible?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2010, 10:36:50 pm »
* Deep Thought asks SirCmpwn if this could be a potential KOS feature request?
* ZTrumpet seconds this awesome request. ;D