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Matrefeytontias
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #15 on:
June 14, 2012, 05:47:11 pm »
Nope, that's not it, my disassembler supports label names, datas and texts
The problem is inside the code ... I'll send you when I can
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #16 on:
June 14, 2012, 11:13:20 pm »
But in the general case, determining what is a label and what is a constant is not something any automated disassembler can do. (For one thing, determining all the possible code paths reduces to the
halting problem
. For another thing, when you start getting into seriously optimized code, like some that I've written, the distinction between "constant" and "label" becomes somewhat fuzzy, as optimizations can imply constraints on your labels that can't even be expressed in standard assembly language.) But for even a moderately complex assembly program, I wouldn't trust any automated disassembler to understand everything - it requires human eyes to figure out exactly what the program is doing.
That said, if you know the code is produced by a compiler that doesn't use any outlandish optimizations (and more to the point, if you know beforehand exactly what programming techniques that compiler uses) - then some heuristics able to recognize those techniques
might
be sufficient. (Note that I'm assuming the programmer has used "pure" Axe, or Axe with a well-defined set of simple assembly libraries - in other words, that the programmer has not made any assumptions that depend on the implementation of the Axe compiler or the target machine.) I don't know enough about Axe to say how hard it would really be, but I would be somewhat surprised if there were any existing disassembler able to do that in general.
OK, this is getting a bit off-topic; sorry. In conclusion: disassembly is
hard
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #17 on:
June 15, 2012, 02:36:15 am »
Quote from: FloppusMaximus on June 14, 2012, 11:13:20 pm
disassembly is
hard
.
That's something that is totally true (too bad)
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Matrefeytontias
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #18 on:
June 15, 2012, 04:51:22 am »
That's true, I
really
have a disassembler recognizing labels, datas and texts. Unfortunately, it's unnamed, but you can download it here :
http://mattias.refeyton.fr/espace-ti/z80disassembler.zip
Also, I have my code here :
http://mattias.refeyton.fr/espace-ti/jetpack82/JETPACK.z80
, but remind that it's 51K large.
There aren't any error at the compilation, but here is a screenshot of it working with the installer on a 83 :
EDIT : in fact, there isn't any _DelVarArc in the file ...
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Last Edit: June 16, 2012, 02:47:26 pm by Matrefeytontias
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #19 on:
June 15, 2012, 10:34:38 am »
Could I just try running it through IDA? (I need the 8xp)
That looks like a good disassembler, but one mistake can break the program.
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #20 on:
June 15, 2012, 11:20:32 am »
Yeah sure, I join the *.8xp I compiled from the source I posted.
Oops, I forgot to join the installer, you need to launch it before prgmJETPACK
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Last Edit: June 15, 2012, 11:35:36 am by Matrefeytontias
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[Axe] IkarugaX, an awesomely challenging danmaku/shoot-them-up for your TI-83+/84+ !
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #21 on:
June 16, 2012, 02:23:23 pm »
You know, before I finish off this disassembly, what does the setup program do? The reason I ask this is because if it gets some variables prepped, then we'll have to store those variables in a static memory location. You can't allocate space after a program and then expect that memory to remain constant.
Edit:
After disassembling it, it would appear that you make an appvar and store some data to saveSScreen. I think I can work with that.
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #22 on:
June 16, 2012, 02:45:46 pm »
The setup creates a program named prgmJTPKSTUP, stores three 768 bytes images in it and then quits.
What the main program does is accessing to this program and read the three images with a 768 or 1536 offset.
Now that I think of it, I remind that there is a bcall named _DelVarArc on the 83+ that doesn't exist anymore on the 83, I'll try to replace it with _DelVar and see if it works better.
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[TI-8x+] Super Crate Box
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[Axe] IkarugaX, an awesomely challenging danmaku/shoot-them-up for your TI-83+/84+ !
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[ASM for Axe] AxeJh3D axiom, a very fast 3D ASM library for Axe coders !
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #23 on:
June 16, 2012, 02:54:54 pm »
Also, I don't have a way to test this in wabbitemu. So if you could help me out there... (email)
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #24 on:
June 16, 2012, 02:56:33 pm »
Ah yeah, I'll send you something to test it.
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[Ndless 3.1] nRayC, an easy-to-use raycasting (3D) engine in C for your Nspire ! (paused)
Proud author of :
[TI-8x] Jetpack 8x+
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[TI-8x+] Gravity Walls
,
[ASM for Axe] AxeDCS axiom for Axe programmers
,
[TI-8x+] WiredWorks : a SolidWorks on your Ti-83+/84+ !
,
[TI-8x+] Super Crate Box
,
[Axe] IkarugaX, an awesomely challenging danmaku/shoot-them-up for your TI-83+/84+ !
,
[ASM for Axe] AxeJh3D axiom, a very fast 3D ASM library for Axe coders !
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #25 on:
June 20, 2012, 06:53:27 pm »
Complete!!!
Now, there were two specific parts that I know you missed. First, run a Ctrl+F for $522, $533, and $FADB. These numbers are correct on the 84+, but what they actually represent are
appBackUpScreen-plotSScreen
appBackUpScreen-plotSScreen+1
plotSScreen-appBackUpScreen+13
respectively. Since we moved these memory locations around, those numbers were now no longer correct.
The second part actually slipped by your disassembler twice. Run a Ctrl+F for "ld bc,$B978". This address was actually 1 byte past the end of your program, so your disassembler assumed that it was a constant memory address.
For the second part of this problem, go to the very end of your data. You'll see .db $F1,$9D,$73,$9F, which we could rearrange to .dw $9DF1, $9F73. These are actually pointers to certain locations in your code and need to adjust with the change in running location. That means they should be more properly written as labels: .dw loc_9DF1, loc_9F73.
But, in all, it's done. So enjoy. I included the source I used as well as the source compiled for use with venus. (That's why there's an awkward header on the files).
Also, this screenshot was the first time I ever got the grappling hook thing, so that kind of freaked me out.
Edit:
I have no idea how big loc_8079 should be. You can remove all the zeros before it and probably give it like 2 after. (Rather than 96)
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Last Edit: June 20, 2012, 07:00:19 pm by thepenguin77
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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Reply #26 on:
June 21, 2012, 02:07:37 am »
Is it only me or is the gs the same on the real 83? Since uh, then you can better remove the gs part
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Re: Conversion from 83+ to 83
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June 21, 2012, 08:02:25 am »
Waaaa thanks a lot thepenguin77 !
You'll be in the credits ^^
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Nerdiness
Projects :
[Ndless3.1] nKaruga
,
[Axe] Worms (yes !)
,
[Ndless 3.1] F-Zero TrackSpire (dropped)
,
[Ndless 3.1] nSpeedX 3D (paused)
,
[Ndless 3.1] nRayC, an easy-to-use raycasting (3D) engine in C for your Nspire ! (paused)
Proud author of :
[TI-8x] Jetpack 8x+
,
[TI-8x+] Gravity Walls
,
[ASM for Axe] AxeDCS axiom for Axe programmers
,
[TI-8x+] WiredWorks : a SolidWorks on your Ti-83+/84+ !
,
[TI-8x+] Super Crate Box
,
[Axe] IkarugaX, an awesomely challenging danmaku/shoot-them-up for your TI-83+/84+ !
,
[ASM for Axe] AxeJh3D axiom, a very fast 3D ASM library for Axe coders !
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