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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2010, 06:09:12 pm »
By the way, how does the Pause command work? Does it loop NOPs?
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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2010, 06:17:24 pm »
What happens if you don't? Does it not register the keypresses?
Yeah, like if I'm holding down 2nd it'll go on sometimes. :(

I assume so. Isn't a smaller delay enough, though? Personally I would hate if the delay was too long because then the game starts slowing down, which is bad if you are using grayscale.
I use loops like this in areas like the main menu of Jump!.  Try holding down 2nd on the main menu. :)

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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2010, 07:34:44 pm »
The "Pause" command is a a loop of "djnz $+0" commands which is equivalent to about 850 nop's per pause number.

The original getkey(#) command waited 8 clock cycles which I think is enough for 6MHz.  getkey(0) was a separate routine which only waited 4 clock cycles.  I have now merged the 2 into a single command that waits 13 clock cycles which might be enough for 15MHz.  As a result, the getkey routine is a little larger, but each call to getkey(0) is 3 bytes less now, so the program size would actually go down if you were using it more than once.
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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2010, 07:35:55 pm »
What happens if you don't? Does it not register the keypresses?
Yeah, like if I'm holding down 2nd it'll go on sometimes. :(

I see. And I see why adding a pause would work: It wouldn't register the first keypress moment, but after the Pause, it starts registering.

The "Pause" command is a a loop of "djnz $+0" commands which is equivalent to about 850 nop's per pause number.

The original getkey(#) command waited 8 clock cycles which I think is enough for 6MHz.  getkey(0) was a separate routine which only waited 4 clock cycles.  I have now merged the 2 into a single command that waits 13 clock cycles which might be enough for 15MHz.  As a result, the getkey routine is a little larger, but each call to getkey(0) is 3 bytes less now, so the program size would actually go down if you were using it more than once.

Got it, and thanks. When do you think you'll update?




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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2010, 09:05:13 pm »
Well, 8 clock cycles times 15MHz/6MHz is 20 clock cycles... 13 still might not be enough...
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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2010, 09:25:12 pm »
I wonder if 20 would start being a bit slow when a game in particular checks for about 20 keys every loop? It might be nice if in 6 MHz the amount of clock cycles was kept lower in 6 MHz mode. You would have to make the parser detect which getkey commands are placed after Full and which ones are placed after Normal or something like that, though. Disregard my comment if the slow down is not noticeable when Getkey() is used in large amounts in one loop, though.

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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2010, 09:28:32 pm »
Well, the main problem is that you can't tell whether or not you're currently in Full mode, and doing so would take more than 8 (and possibly 20) clock cycles. Maybe a getKey(#)r like I suggested could alleviate that by at least giving programmers the option?
And it shouldn't be too noticeable unless speed is very important.
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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2010, 09:56:04 pm »
The speed is negligible.  If you checked for 80 key presses, it would be the same as an extra "Pause 1" which means each key would only add about 1/80th of a pause number.  The main reason I've been avoiding it is because it makes the code larger and having separate routines makes it even worse.  So at this point I think I'll just add an extra byte to give it a total of 20 clock cycles regardless of speed.  This should settle the matter.
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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2010, 09:58:12 pm »
Sounds good; can't wait for a release! :D
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Re: Wait For Keys
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2010, 10:20:05 pm »
Oh wow, disregard my comment, then. If the speed is this negligible, 20 clock cycles should be ok. Keep up the good work Quigibo :)