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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2012, 11:00:35 pm »
Tests really aren't about getting an advantage, they're more for showing what you know and can produce on your own. Actually, one could argue that if you possess the knowhow to create such a calculator, you really wouldn't need it for those tests.

(Also, the tests are easy) :P

You know, I never took my SAT's :'(
Why not, and why is it so sad?
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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2012, 11:05:25 pm »
I just need some sort of reference on how to build a custom android device and I can take it from there.

Not trying to discourage you but it isn't as easy as you think.  If you want android check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/.  You can read those forums and you might learn a bit about the software side of android.  They don't seem to like noobs very much though.  Try soft modding roms for a phone or something.  I'm also pretty sure that there is an android project for the Raspberry Pi.  You can learn a lot from actually starting a project and finishing it.

Tests really aren't about getting an advantage, they're more for showing what you know and can produce on your own. Actually, one could argue that if you possess the knowhow to create such a calculator, you really wouldn't need it for those tests.

(Also, the tests are easy) :P

You know, I never took my SAT's :'(

Did you just take the ACT instead?
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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2012, 11:09:11 pm »
Oh yeah! I just remembered about Raspberry Pi. Maybe I can put that in a calc case and make the keyboard work, connect it to LCD, and I get it working!

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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2012, 11:09:55 pm »
Good luck. :)
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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2012, 11:11:47 pm »
I kept forgetting to sign up. I did very well on my PSAT's and I always wanted to know how well I would do on the SAT itself :P

At any rate, the SAT's are something that's best done without trying to cheat. It's much better in the end, when you show you can produce valid results without assistance. :P (Also, higher level math courses will kick your ass if you don't know the content) >.<

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Did you just take the ACT instead?

Nope, I have some slight memory issues and I could never remember to sign up for either. Instead I'm going to community college and the grades I make here will, in essence, overwrite everything I did in High School from an Academic standpoint. It's a good thing because I'm doing very well in college, yet got horrible grades in high school :P

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Wait... This just in, the Omnimagians have sent the UN a list of demands that must be met or else the world will be "submitted to the wrath of Netham45's Lobster Army". Such demands include >9001 crates of peanuts, sacrificial blue lobsters, and a wide assortment of cherry flavored items. With such computing power stored in the hands of such people, we can only hope these demands are met.

In the wake of these events, we can only ask, Why? Why do these people make these demands, what caused them to gather, and what are their future plans...

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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2012, 06:43:45 am »
It's not cheating if you follow the rules, and the rules are very easy for math section.

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Re: Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2012, 11:03:47 am »
I won't start an argument on this. Though if people see the main motivation for a project is to cheat then many will not be inclined to assist or support the project.

At the very least if you are serious about this and you manage to see the project through there will need to be a PTT mode or something of the like. A calc with wifi, for example, can be viewed as a communication device, like a smartphone and thus be unallowed.

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Wait... This just in, the Omnimagians have sent the UN a list of demands that must be met or else the world will be "submitted to the wrath of Netham45's Lobster Army". Such demands include >9001 crates of peanuts, sacrificial blue lobsters, and a wide assortment of cherry flavored items. With such computing power stored in the hands of such people, we can only hope these demands are met.

In the wake of these events, we can only ask, Why? Why do these people make these demands, what caused them to gather, and what are their future plans...

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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2012, 03:29:26 pm »
First, I believe that the rules for the calculators are more of guidelines of what a logical person looking for a calculator should bring. I do not this that it is meant to find loopholes.
What I imagine, would happen is that you would go to the SAT, they would see your strange looking calculator, and they would either take it up, or more likely they would take a picture of your calculator, send it to a higher up administrator (and the people in the room would hate you for delaying the test) , and the higher up administrator would likely say that it was illegal. (That’s what happened when someone wore a t shirt with a periodic table to the AP Chemistry test)
Also, the SAT doesn’t need that good of a calculator. Also, if you make a new calculator, you would have to program all of the software.
Also, it is already very easy to cheat with a calculator, at least with my TI 83 and Ti Nspire, but I despise even the smallest cheating, so I deleted my Periodic Table before taking the chemistry test. (What I think would be nice would be if Omnimaga, and maybe TI Planet too, made it a rule to never, if any one finds ways, never post directions or files to cheat or disable Press to Test mode)

But, on the note of new calculators and ideas, I think an accelerometer, camera, and side buttons (like the iphone) would be awesome on a calculator

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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2012, 03:37:24 pm »
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(What I think would be nice would be if Omnimaga, and maybe TI Planet too, made it a rule to never, if any one finds ways, never post directions or files to cheat or disable Press to Test mode)

I think Omnimaga did something like that with PTT-killer.

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Wait... This just in, the Omnimagians have sent the UN a list of demands that must be met or else the world will be "submitted to the wrath of Netham45's Lobster Army". Such demands include >9001 crates of peanuts, sacrificial blue lobsters, and a wide assortment of cherry flavored items. With such computing power stored in the hands of such people, we can only hope these demands are met.

In the wake of these events, we can only ask, Why? Why do these people make these demands, what caused them to gather, and what are their future plans...

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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2012, 03:51:14 pm »
Also, if you make a new calculator, you would have to program all of the software.
That would be one of your biggest problems when making the calculator, it would take very much work to make it as good as a normal Casio or TI.

And yeah, Omnimaga deleted two programs to disable PTT and maybe also the posts saying how it worked.

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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2012, 05:06:48 pm »
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I think Omnimaga did something like that with PTT-killer.
Oh, that’s good.
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That would be one of your biggest problems when making the calculator, it would take very much work to make it as good as a normal Casio or TI.
Also, if you did program a new calculator, and there are things I would like to change if I could, I don’t think you could program anything much more than BASIC can do.
And C can a lot too
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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2012, 09:25:11 pm »
Adding to that, SAT math really doesn't need a calculator. Calculator is only OPTIONAL in SAT math. Heck, I didn't even see the distance formula questions in there.
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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2012, 11:58:15 am »
maybe a ipad + one app like this:
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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2012, 04:27:07 pm »
(What I think would be nice would be if Omnimaga, and maybe TI Planet too, made it a rule to never, if any one finds ways, never post directions or files to cheat or disable Press to Test mode)
That's what has been done on Omni for over a year already. I don't know for TI-Planet.

But yeah a new calc should not be made so that we can cheat on tests easily and it should have anti-cheating protections that can't be bypassed easily. Otherwise there's no chance it will be allowed in tests. Even some TI calcs are banned from certain tests

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Re: Calc better than Prizm possible
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2012, 09:24:01 pm »
I agree with many of the people who said that if the primary purpose of the calculator is to gain an advantage on tests then I would not support it. I believe a open, powerful, reasonably priced calculator could go very well and I would gladly write software to help it out. I believe that if you can not do the math from an average high school course(BC calculus and less) then you are not going to do well in any higher math.

I love some of your ideas for the calculator but dislike your reasoning. Get some designs/prototypes and people may be willing to help.
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