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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2010, 07:46:16 pm »
Okay, I'll take general coder 3 if it's still open. Will this be in ARM assembly?
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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2010, 07:47:00 pm »
It would be nice but I am sad the z80 version is getting discontinued :(, I was really looking forward for it. Are you still gonna code for z80 calcs in the future? Some people might not get Prizm calculator right away. :S

Also to me, the z80 version being done by April doesn't sound too far away. Most z80 projects take 2 years. Couldn't you do a version for prizm and one for z80? It doesn,t matter if the Prizm one looks better, the z80 one will still be cool for a z80 calc and a lot of people will play it.
Okay, I'll take general coder 3 if it's still open. Will this be in ARM assembly?
Well we don't even know if the Prizm even use an ARM processor in the first place.
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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2010, 07:51:09 pm »
To complete my previous post, we don't even know if the calc will even be open to 3rd party dev at all in the first place. Maybe C add-ons will be supported but only the ones made by Casio. Wouldn't it be better to wait before starting planning too far? Also I still think a z80 version would be cool. Also I don,t really like how you say the z80 version would look like a joke compared to the Prizm version, it almost sounds like you are saying all z80 projects would be worth nothing once the Prizm arrives...

Also you know if you have trouble coding in z80 ASM you can always ask on Cemetech and Omni or even in #cemetech, right? Cemetech is a great place to ask and Omni got some other good ASM coders as well.

Anyway good luck whatever you decide.
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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2010, 07:54:58 pm »
I think they'll probably include an SDK. What we do know for sure of the Prizm is that Casio is switching to a new file format and that it'll support color.

Ashbad: I don't think the 83+ series will be the Old man's calc anytime in the near future.
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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #109 on: December 05, 2010, 08:38:59 pm »
or just make it in axe ;)

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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2010, 09:08:13 pm »
not enough room, I'd need a multipage app

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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #111 on: December 05, 2010, 09:10:50 pm »
not enough room, I'd need a multipage app

how many pages are you anticipating? if you did it in z80 that is


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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #112 on: December 05, 2010, 09:11:28 pm »
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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #113 on: December 05, 2010, 10:07:10 pm »
Wow that seems large. ANyway, good luck! I hope the Casio Prizm capabilities will be as great as we expect. I'm really curious what processor it has.

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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #114 on: December 06, 2010, 10:23:21 am »
well, I thought about, and here's what I got so far:

I realize KOS is coming out with a developer's thingie on Jan 1, 2011.  With that, I can learn z80 asm KOS style, and while the team is working on Trio and Niko casio version, I can manually make the z80 one for KOS.  Sound fair?  But the team thingie is only for the prizm one, no z80 team, that'll be all me I'm sure.

KOS supports 65K programs, that'll work.

EDIT: and btw check the first post in the thread to see updates and find out what you can sign up for.
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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #115 on: December 06, 2010, 11:19:23 am »
Hmm 65K programs sounds interesting, I wonder if it's possible with the hardware limitation or if Sir found a way around it? O.O

Anyway personally I did not like the way I was responded to when I am showing lots of interest in the z80 version, I was just sad to see yet another project delayed and I dislike the negative "z80 community will die" attitude you had lately. Of course I want to see a Prizm game arrive and I'm buying one in Jan if it comes out here, though.

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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #116 on: December 06, 2010, 11:31:12 am »
I'm sorry If I've been rude, I'm in another one of those funks I get into again with my mood :(
but looks like I'm improving how I handle this mood! :D 

Again, sorry, and I'm sure the z80 family of calcs has many years before it dies, as I'm sure in the future a genius like calc84maniac will write some sort of z80 emu for the prizm or even it's later superior calc O.O

again, sorry.

Here's the casio prizm's palette:

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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #117 on: December 06, 2010, 12:03:53 pm »
It's ok, I personally noticed the improvement as well. Also that palette looks nice, I wish I knew a software that can create 16 bit images. I think Photoshop does, but it's not (supposed to be) free. Note that if you only use BASIC you would only have 8 colors, though (plus the LCD), but if Casio Prizm supports third-party C games dev, you would most likely have more freedom. I also hope they support multiple pages add-ons, since it only has 61 KB of user RAM.

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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #118 on: December 06, 2010, 12:12:14 pm »
I'm really going on faith that they will allow multipage add-ins, but if they don't, I can try and jailbreak it or something and make a temporary shell that allows them or something :)

And, the user ram many people think is JUST for BASIC programs, and that the rest of the 16K is inhabited by places to store images and add-ins and such.

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Re: Trio and Niko: Falling
« Reply #119 on: December 06, 2010, 12:14:53 pm »
I'm sure in the future a genius like calc84maniac will write some sort of z80 emu for the prizm or even it's later superior calc O.O

Since they're presenting the Prizm as the Nspire killer, they're almost certainly going to give it at least the processing power of the Nspire and we already know that that's enough to write an z80 emulator.

EDIT: But I hope they don't pull a TI and force us to extract to boot code to exploit the flaws in their OS or factor some 1024 bit numbers.
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