Post by: Zera on October 31, 2007, 06:52:00 am
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This is a small little game I've been working on for a TI-84+. I thought I would go ahead and post some info about it, in case it interests anyone. It is currently in the programming stage, (ASM PROGRAMMERS DESPERATELY NEEDED) and will hopefully be completed in a few months.
I wanted to design a short RPG based on elements of SaGa / Final Fantasy Legend. For the most part, I think it's represented nicely. At the very least, naybe it will give all those bored college students something to do with their calculators while they're suffering through tedious algebra courses.
So, without further ado, onto a few features...
This is the overhead map feature. This allows you to explore various areas, chat with NPCs and find treasures. It's done in a sort of Zelda-esque screen-scrolling manner. Anyone who has played RPGs back in the classic console era is familiar with kind of gameplay.
Entire maps are rather large, although only small portions are displayed at any given time.
(this is actually the first town in the game)
Instead of using character classes and lenient growth, I designed a system where up to 6 items are equipped at one time. This may include weapons, armory, potions, rings, spellbooks, etc. These items have a range of effects, such as allowing you to attack enemies, (weapons) raising your defense, (armor) or allowing you to heal and cast spells. However, each item only has a limited number of uses -- or durability. Once the item is used up, you have to purchase more quantities of it. Some items are more durable than others and naturally have more uses.
As you equip items, your status growth increases in two ways -- first, some items have status bonuses associated with them. For instance, equipping a weapon will obviously affect your attack power. Secondly, if you keep an item equipped, it may randomly boost certain attributes after battles. This is the level-up system, in a sense. Depending on the type of equipment constantly in hand, a class template can be made. If you equip heavy swords and armor, for example, then your attack and defense power may benefit significantly, although areas like magic and agility would consequently suffer. Conversely, equipping spell books and magical rods would benefit magic, while possibly lowering strength.
Ocassionally, you will run into random battles on the world map and in dungeons. This takes us to the action screen. Once an enemy draws near, you'll have to issue commands among your party and finish it off. The commands available to you depend on the items you have in stock. Simply select an item to use it.
For the most part, it's your standard turn-based ordeal from a first-person perspective.
Post by: trevmeister66 on October 31, 2007, 09:03:00 am
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Wow o.o
that looks great. I can't wait to see the finished version. This looks like it'll be a must download for me.
that looks great. I can't wait to see the finished version. This looks like it'll be a must download for me. Post by: xiaden on October 31, 2007, 09:20:00 am
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this looks amazing!!!!
can't wait for it to be finished.
i'd help, but i'm still learning asm.. it's hard for me, cuz of all my classes.
can't wait for it to be finished.
i'd help, but i'm still learning asm.. it's hard for me, cuz of all my classes.
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Post by: nitacku on October 31, 2007, 10:22:00 am
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WOW!!!
Dude, you need to finish this like right now before I explode! :lol:
That is going to be like the next Zelda.
Dude, you need to finish this like right now before I explode! :lol:
That is going to be like the next Zelda.
Post by: Zera on October 31, 2007, 10:37:00 am
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Everything is finished -- just need a programmer or two to help me get the project together. :(
I've actually been working on this for years as a little side-project. It'll be great to finally see it come together.
I really appreciate the positive feedback. I'll drop in later with a few more samples. :)
I've actually been working on this for years as a little side-project. It'll be great to finally see it come together.
I really appreciate the positive feedback. I'll drop in later with a few more samples. :)
Post by: dinhotheone on October 31, 2007, 10:49:00 am
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this is cool, i like when these guys come here with a sick, already nearly finished project. like the guy who had the castlevania, its probably the best way to join a community.
anyway, this looks so sick. i'd help but i dont know asm very well, im learning though
anyway, this looks so sick. i'd help but i dont know asm very well, im learning though
Post by: nitacku on October 31, 2007, 11:01:00 am
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Have you checked other sites?
There's a few people who know asm here, but theres more people if you consider other sites.
Try UnitedTI.org, Cemetech.net, or RevSoft.org.
There's a few people who know asm here, but theres more people if you consider other sites.
Try UnitedTI.org, Cemetech.net, or RevSoft.org.
Post by: Zera on October 31, 2007, 11:33:00 am
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Yeah, I'm looking into a couple of other places, as well. My search hasn't been very fruitful so far. :(
As promised, more data. Here's a synopsis of some of the characters, as well as the general story outline:
Fenris, Apprentice Knight of Grendale
A young squire aspiring to follow in his older brother's footsteps. Fenris' brother disappeared shortly after selflessly persuing the Fell Lord alone, leaving Fenris no choice but to bring him to safety.
Rowley
A feral child estranged from his home during times of war. Was taken in by Fenris' family shortly after and quickly developed a brotherly affection toward him. Being protective of his mentor, Rowley decides to tag along with Fenris on his journey.
Princess Annika of Grendale
The rebellious and tomboyish Princess of Grendale, and tactician and leader of her kingdom's armed forced. Princess Annika decides to join Fenris' party and confront the Fell Lord Darius directly, despite her father's wishes that she not come to harm.
Lord Grendale
Lord Grendale presides over the kingdom of St. Agaea. Bearing no prince to his thrown, and nearing his final years, he remains helplessly despondant over the ongoing conflict with the Fell Lord.
Fell Lord Darius
Younger brother and once the loyal right-hand man of Lord Grendale. After being placed under the spell of a mysterious high mage, Darius led a dark crusade against Grendale's kingdom and fervently sought the overthrowing of the prime forces. Much of Grendale's resources have been exhausted in a futile effort to cease his bringing of destruction.
High Mage Darsel
A half-draconic mage obsessed with an ancient relic said to possess the power of a forgotten draconic deity. Wielding Darius under his influence, Darsel executes a plan to gather the prime forces to lead him to this relic.
The Four Avatars
Mortal avatars of the prime forces that sustain the world of Gaia. They are sought by many for their wisdom and power.
St. Agaea
A beautiful countryside ruled by the swift and just hand of Lord Grendale. It encompasses most of Gaia's overworld.
The Marina Sea
A deep, glimmering sea that is home to the underwater civilization of the merfolk. It is said that humans may only enter their civilization if they possess the essence of the prime forces.
Karta Paradisum
The remnants of Gaia's most ancient civilization, suspended in mid-air after the destruction of the previous world by an angry draconic deity. A new Gaia was created from the earthly remains below, and sustained by four prime forces appointed by the All-Father of creation. Karta encompasses a civilization with exotic magick and technology that survived from the old world.
As promised, more data. Here's a synopsis of some of the characters, as well as the general story outline:
Fenris, Apprentice Knight of GrendaleA young squire aspiring to follow in his older brother's footsteps. Fenris' brother disappeared shortly after selflessly persuing the Fell Lord alone, leaving Fenris no choice but to bring him to safety.
RowleyA feral child estranged from his home during times of war. Was taken in by Fenris' family shortly after and quickly developed a brotherly affection toward him. Being protective of his mentor, Rowley decides to tag along with Fenris on his journey.
Princess Annika of GrendaleThe rebellious and tomboyish Princess of Grendale, and tactician and leader of her kingdom's armed forced. Princess Annika decides to join Fenris' party and confront the Fell Lord Darius directly, despite her father's wishes that she not come to harm.
Lord Grendale
Lord Grendale presides over the kingdom of St. Agaea. Bearing no prince to his thrown, and nearing his final years, he remains helplessly despondant over the ongoing conflict with the Fell Lord.
Fell Lord Darius
Younger brother and once the loyal right-hand man of Lord Grendale. After being placed under the spell of a mysterious high mage, Darius led a dark crusade against Grendale's kingdom and fervently sought the overthrowing of the prime forces. Much of Grendale's resources have been exhausted in a futile effort to cease his bringing of destruction.
High Mage Darsel
A half-draconic mage obsessed with an ancient relic said to possess the power of a forgotten draconic deity. Wielding Darius under his influence, Darsel executes a plan to gather the prime forces to lead him to this relic.
The Four Avatars
Mortal avatars of the prime forces that sustain the world of Gaia. They are sought by many for their wisdom and power.
St. Agaea
A beautiful countryside ruled by the swift and just hand of Lord Grendale. It encompasses most of Gaia's overworld.
The Marina Sea
A deep, glimmering sea that is home to the underwater civilization of the merfolk. It is said that humans may only enter their civilization if they possess the essence of the prime forces.
Karta Paradisum
The remnants of Gaia's most ancient civilization, suspended in mid-air after the destruction of the previous world by an angry draconic deity. A new Gaia was created from the earthly remains below, and sustained by four prime forces appointed by the All-Father of creation. Karta encompasses a civilization with exotic magick and technology that survived from the old world.
Post by: Speler on October 31, 2007, 11:33:00 am
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Wow! That looks great!
Post by: bfr on October 31, 2007, 12:17:00 pm
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This looks incredible. o.o:thumbup:
This post has been edited by bfr on 31 Oct, 2007, 17:17
:thumbup:This post has been edited by bfr on 31 Oct, 2007, 17:17
Post by: trevmeister66 on October 31, 2007, 12:21:00 pm
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What asm help do you need? I wont be of any use, (asm is way over my head :P
), but i was wondering what needed to be done. And when do you expect a release date or demo? :)
), but i was wondering what needed to be done. And when do you expect a release date or demo? :)Post by: Zera on October 31, 2007, 12:49:00 pm
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What do I need? Someone to program the game. :P
I have absolutely no knowledge there -- the other person working on the project seems to be on a permenant hiatus due to a busy schedule. He was my main programmer.
We have everything outlined, though. What basically needs to be done is first rendering the font, (the game uses a custom font) converting the graphics for the calculator to use, and then programing the game engine itself. I believe most of the graphics are ready to upload -- they're simple tile binaries that the game maps call upon to build the various areas. I did all of that in CalcGS. Some of the other graphics include rather hefty bitmaps used in cut-scenes.
I think compression will also be necessary. Heavy compression.
I have absolutely no knowledge there -- the other person working on the project seems to be on a permenant hiatus due to a busy schedule. He was my main programmer.
We have everything outlined, though. What basically needs to be done is first rendering the font, (the game uses a custom font) converting the graphics for the calculator to use, and then programing the game engine itself. I believe most of the graphics are ready to upload -- they're simple tile binaries that the game maps call upon to build the various areas. I did all of that in CalcGS. Some of the other graphics include rather hefty bitmaps used in cut-scenes.
I think compression will also be necessary. Heavy compression.
Post by: Zera on October 31, 2007, 01:12:00 pm
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More screenshot madness:
Also, an example of how the map data is displayed: (using the first overworld as an example)
Also, an example of how the map data is displayed: (using the first overworld as an example)
Post by: dinhotheone on October 31, 2007, 01:45:00 pm
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wow, this is alot farther off than i had originally anticipated. who is the other programmer? its pretty interestig, i dont think i've ever seen someone make a game and then need it to be programmed... this may be a first. if you still need someone in a month or two, i guess i could help, i dont know how much help i would be, but ill know asm by then. though from what i hear, learning asm and programming anything useful in it is a big difference.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 31, 2007, 01:54:00 pm
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Wow holy crap! This is the most awesome looking ASM rpg I ever seen so far for the 83+! Is it an halloween prank or is it really real? Darn this is so great.
Welcome here btw. Our apologies for the Halo skin, we're gonna go back to the original Omnimaga skin in the next hour ;)
I'M also gonna validate your account because something is broken on the forums
Welcome here btw. Our apologies for the Halo skin, we're gonna go back to the original Omnimaga skin in the next hour ;)
I'M also gonna validate your account because something is broken on the forums
Post by: trevmeister66 on October 31, 2007, 02:29:00 pm
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haha man if this is a halloween prank.. im gonna be mad. This looks amazing.
Dang i wish i knew asm.. this would be an awsome project to be a part of. We need to find somebody quickly.
Dang i wish i knew asm.. this would be an awsome project to be a part of. We need to find somebody quickly.
Post by: Liazon on October 31, 2007, 02:32:00 pm
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so wait, you've designed the game, and it needs to be programmed now?
Maybe I could help, but I'd need more details.
edit: I hope it's not a prank, but if it is, it's a good one. my hat's off to you. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
This post has been edited by Liazon on 31 Oct, 2007, 19:32
Maybe I could help, but I'd need more details.
edit: I hope it's not a prank, but if it is, it's a good one. my hat's off to you. :thumbup:
:thumbup::thumbup:This post has been edited by Liazon on 31 Oct, 2007, 19:32
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 31, 2007, 03:21:00 pm
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It would be cool if liazon could help ^^ he's a nice asm programmer. Jon is also quite good IIRC altough he doesn't know much about grayscale
Else it could be done using xLIB and TI-BASIC code but then it would means much slower gameplay and grayscale would need to be decreased from 4 level to 3 levels so it won't flicker too much on the regular 83+
EDIT: Idk if it's a prank because there's an animated screenshot in the first post, but again it's easy to do with calcapture or animator programs *cough*zelda minish cap prank*cough*. I hope it's real :D
Else it could be done using xLIB and TI-BASIC code but then it would means much slower gameplay and grayscale would need to be decreased from 4 level to 3 levels so it won't flicker too much on the regular 83+
EDIT: Idk if it's a prank because there's an animated screenshot in the first post, but again it's easy to do with calcapture or animator programs *cough*zelda minish cap prank*cough*. I hope it's real :D
Post by: Liazon on October 31, 2007, 03:44:00 pm
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I would disagree with you DJ_Omnimaga. I think ALL of the ASM programmers here at omnimaga are more than capable of this project. It's a question of time really. Like I've said before, I've kinda been busy and have been progressing at a snails pace.
Ironically, this level up system is similar to what I wanted to do w/ Nanocrisis.
Lemme point some stuff out:
1.) Even Jim e's gs package has limitations. It's not perfect, and from my experience, even w/ his RGP, gs is still kinda better on the SEs. He even points this out and strongly recommends the use of hyper mode when doing gs.
2.) Scrolling can't be guaranteed. Jim's gs mapper is can be annoying to use. It does use SMC, which can be a problem.
3.) RAM program or APP? I probably won't mind. Both have their advantages. RAM maybe easier to incorporate a lot of stuff. APP = more space, which I like, but a lot of other ASM programmers seem to deem as wasteful.
4.) Custom font. Unless my eyeballs have fallen out due to halloween, I'm pretty sure that's a custom font. And it's pretty big too.
5.) I'm pretty glad battles appear to be very text based.
6.) Programming takes time. No doubt about that.
I hope this isn't a prank too. Grendel, you chose an interesting day to start this topic.
edit: Now that I look at the mock screens further, you really planned this out really well Grendel! The font is 8x8 for the most part. Everything seems to be aligned very nicely. tiles and sprites appear to be 16x16. geez, you know a lot about what would be easy in ASM, while still making it look good.
This post has been edited by Liazon on 31 Oct, 2007, 20:51
Ironically, this level up system is similar to what I wanted to do w/ Nanocrisis.
Lemme point some stuff out:
1.) Even Jim e's gs package has limitations. It's not perfect, and from my experience, even w/ his RGP, gs is still kinda better on the SEs. He even points this out and strongly recommends the use of hyper mode when doing gs.
2.) Scrolling can't be guaranteed. Jim's gs mapper is can be annoying to use. It does use SMC, which can be a problem.
3.) RAM program or APP? I probably won't mind. Both have their advantages. RAM maybe easier to incorporate a lot of stuff. APP = more space, which I like, but a lot of other ASM programmers seem to deem as wasteful.
4.) Custom font. Unless my eyeballs have fallen out due to halloween, I'm pretty sure that's a custom font. And it's pretty big too.
5.) I'm pretty glad battles appear to be very text based.
6.) Programming takes time. No doubt about that.
I hope this isn't a prank too. Grendel, you chose an interesting day to start this topic.
edit: Now that I look at the mock screens further, you really planned this out really well Grendel! The font is 8x8 for the most part. Everything seems to be aligned very nicely. tiles and sprites appear to be 16x16. geez, you know a lot about what would be easy in ASM, while still making it look good.
This post has been edited by Liazon on 31 Oct, 2007, 20:51
Post by: Halifax on October 31, 2007, 04:06:00 pm
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Hmm this seems like one of the most promising things that I have ever seen. So maps, data, NPC text, and all that is planned out for the most part or at least 50%?
If so I would love to help you with coding this project, if it is real. :P
I think you have quite a gem on your hand.
@Liazon: Jim_e's interlaced GS mapper is pretty good with scrolling. And overall I wouldn't try rewriting the map, I would just run it in RAM.
This post has been edited by Halifax on 31 Oct, 2007, 21:07
If so I would love to help you with coding this project, if it is real. :P
I think you have quite a gem on your hand.
@Liazon: Jim_e's interlaced GS mapper is pretty good with scrolling. And overall I wouldn't try rewriting the map, I would just run it in RAM.
This post has been edited by Halifax on 31 Oct, 2007, 21:07
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 31, 2007, 04:10:00 pm
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I love the menu borders and the text
Post by: Liazon on October 31, 2007, 04:37:00 pm
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true, but Jim scrolls 2-4 pxls at a time in most of his gs demos.
I don't think he wants scrolling though. That's why he divided that world map up like that.
Of course, he'll probably change his mind, unless his friend who was already coding this already has everything set up.
imho, scrolling really isn't necessary in RPG, and I really like this simplistic, but story-telling touch. It's really good graphics, but not intense graphics, which is why I like this proposal so much.
I wish I was as good of a pixel artist!
This post has been edited by Liazon on 31 Oct, 2007, 21:40
I don't think he wants scrolling though. That's why he divided that world map up like that.
Of course, he'll probably change his mind, unless his friend who was already coding this already has everything set up.
imho, scrolling really isn't necessary in RPG, and I really like this simplistic, but story-telling touch. It's really good graphics, but not intense graphics, which is why I like this proposal so much.
I wish I was as good of a pixel artist!
This post has been edited by Liazon on 31 Oct, 2007, 21:40
Post by: Netham45 on October 31, 2007, 05:01:00 pm
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-->| QUOTE (nitacku @ 31 Oct, 2007, 13:22) |
| WOW!!! Dude, you need to finish this like right now before I explode! :lol: That is going to be like the next Zelda. |
Zeldas not out yet.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 31, 2007, 05:17:00 pm
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he knows, he was just talking in the future ;)
Post by: Liazon on October 31, 2007, 07:04:00 pm
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Behold the power of Jim e's gs tilemapper!!!!
I'm not sure why it's got issues w/ scrolling up and down. my guess it probably messed up assembler instructions in the .inc file. I'll have to ask him. Maybe I can fix it. Anyone else might know what's wrong with it? Halifax?
but, it kinda points out why I don't think scrolling is necessary.
everyone try this out on calc and see what you guys think. especially on 83+BE.
This post has been edited by Liazon on 1 Nov, 2007, 0:07
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 31, 2007, 07:32:00 pm
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I don't think the guy want scrolling, plus since he's new to asm and he need someone for helping It may be better to start with somehting small to begin (not too small either though, but not too complicated), because it would suck if it died, it look so freakin awesome :)
I wish I knew ASM :( if the project was BASIC+XLIB i could maybe have helped making some stuff
This looks nice though O_O
I wish I knew ASM :(
if the project was BASIC+XLIB i could maybe have helped making some stuffThis looks nice though O_O
Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 12:31:00 am
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Thanks for validating my account. I couldn't quite figure that part out. It was also restricting my posting earlier for some reason. (had to wait to start this thread) I figured it was just a temporary restriction until one of the admins verified my account info, or something of that nature.
I really appreciate all the feedback. As I've said, I've been working on the project for a few years on the side, so a lot of thought and detail has gone into it. Probably a bit too much, actually. :P
I tried to model it after earlier console RPGs like Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior, SaGa, etc. The fairest comparisson would be Final Fantasy Legend / Makai Toushi SaGa for the GameBoy. The game engine is pretty much a reflection of it down to the last detail.
If / when this project is completed, I would like to volunteer my help in other areas such as graphic design, game engine design and so forth. I noticed a lot of requests here for tilesets and such, which is an area I could definitely help with. TI development interests me because it draws a lot of attention from amatuer developers who may someday move on to bigger projects. It seems like a fun entry-level thing.
If anyone would like to sign onto this project, whether or not you can help with programming, just let me know. I don't mind adding anyone to the project site so they can look over the rest of the project files. As mentioned in my original post, I'm trying to do this from an open-source perspective, so if any of the game's resources can be useful to anyone else, they're welcome to them.
I really appreciate all the feedback. As I've said, I've been working on the project for a few years on the side, so a lot of thought and detail has gone into it. Probably a bit too much, actually. :P
I tried to model it after earlier console RPGs like Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior, SaGa, etc. The fairest comparisson would be Final Fantasy Legend / Makai Toushi SaGa for the GameBoy. The game engine is pretty much a reflection of it down to the last detail.
If / when this project is completed, I would like to volunteer my help in other areas such as graphic design, game engine design and so forth. I noticed a lot of requests here for tilesets and such, which is an area I could definitely help with. TI development interests me because it draws a lot of attention from amatuer developers who may someday move on to bigger projects. It seems like a fun entry-level thing.
If anyone would like to sign onto this project, whether or not you can help with programming, just let me know. I don't mind adding anyone to the project site so they can look over the rest of the project files. As mentioned in my original post, I'm trying to do this from an open-source perspective, so if any of the game's resources can be useful to anyone else, they're welcome to them.
Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 12:35:00 am
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DJ Omnimaga is correct -- I actually didn't have scrolling in mind. Each map is divided into 6x4 tile screens, and only that data is displayed at one time. When you move to a new screen, it does the Zelda-like transition of quickly jumping over. I designed the maps around this function, so you'll sometimes see things like duplicate doors or entrances as to avoid collisions with off-screen objects.
There are a couple of things I need to explain about this. First, not having scrolling makes the objects on screen a lot easier to see. When the screen is constantly moving, everything tends to fade and blend together. In this case, you'll be able to clearly see everything that's in your way and not trip over every little object in the process. ;)
Second, there are no animated tiles in the game. Again, this takes advantage of how the game would actually look on the calculator itself. When the screen is flickering and moving, the tiles will infact seem animated even though they aren't. For instance, the water tile. The pixels are so close together that they should bleed somewhat as the screen flickers.
There are a couple of things I need to explain about this. First, not having scrolling makes the objects on screen a lot easier to see. When the screen is constantly moving, everything tends to fade and blend together. In this case, you'll be able to clearly see everything that's in your way and not trip over every little object in the process. ;)
Second, there are no animated tiles in the game. Again, this takes advantage of how the game would actually look on the calculator itself. When the screen is flickering and moving, the tiles will infact seem animated even though they aren't. For instance, the water tile. The pixels are so close together that they should bleed somewhat as the screen flickers.
Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 12:44:00 am
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Oops. I didn't even notice the second page of replies. Sorry, I'll try to address your questions...
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| So maps, data, NPC text, and all that is planned out for the most part or at least 50%? |
Everything is completed and ready to be put together.
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| EDIT: Idk if it's a prank because there's an animated screenshot in the first post, but again it's easy to do with calcapture or animator programs *cough*zelda minish cap prank*cough*. I hope it's real |
Prank? Those are just a few sample screens I put together personally, to demonstrate how I want the screens and data to be arranged. (I figured it's easier than trying to explain it manually)
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| 3.) RAM program or APP? I probably won't mind. Both have their advantages. RAM maybe easier to incorporate a lot of stuff. APP = more space, which I like, but a lot of other ASM programmers seem to deem as wasteful. |
Spikeman (the other guy on the project) recommended doing it as an application, per space issues. We were also looking into various compression methods to avoid any problems.
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| 4.) Custom font. Unless my eyeballs have fallen out due to halloween, I'm pretty sure that's a custom font. And it's pretty big too. |
Yes. 96 characters total:
This includes item icons, double-byte characters, cursors, pointers, and all that good stuff.
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| edit: Now that I look at the mock screens further, you really planned this out really well Grendel! The font is 8x8 for the most part. Everything seems to be aligned very nicely. tiles and sprites appear to be 16x16. geez, you know a lot about what would be easy in ASM, while still making it look good. |
I do a lot of ROM-hacking on the side. (NES / GameBoy ROMs) I have a fair understanding of how data is arranged, so I figured I would apply this to my TI project. I hope it makes the job easier.
I fear that some of the programming may be a little complicated, because there are a lot of "tricks" that have to be pulled off to cover-up technical limitations. For example, the menu cursor consists of about 5 or 6 different characters in the font, depending on which direction and position it's in. One of the cursor positions is even a double-byte character, and another is adjusted to blend in with the window frame under certain conditions.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 01, 2007, 06:31:00 am
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I'm glad you're interested in TI developpement. I hope you stick around for a while :). Usually some people stay for a year, and others stay for 5 years, and since this forum also cover PC game programming or generating (by generating I mean using game maker or stuff liek this) ppl tend to stick around longer. :)
Those fonts are awesome, you did a nice job on them :)
That said I would like to point out to that icon:
Which allow you to edit your post/messages instead of posting 3 times in a row within a few minutes... it's ok if you double post when there hasn't been any replies for like half a day or something though :-P
. Usually some people stay for a year, and others stay for 5 years, and since this forum also cover PC game programming or generating (by generating I mean using game maker or stuff liek this) ppl tend to stick around longer. :)Those fonts are awesome, you did a nice job on them :)
That said I would like to point out to that icon:
Which allow you to edit your post/messages instead of posting 3 times in a row within a few minutes... it's ok if you double post when there hasn't been any replies for like half a day or something though :-P
Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 06:36:00 am
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Sorry. I was in a rush earlier. Does the eraser button allow you to delete your own posts? It doesn't seem to work for me. I get a lot of board errors when trying to post / edit. (something about not being logged in, or not having permissions)
I'm glad you like the font. Feel free to use it. :)
I'm glad you like the font. Feel free to use it. :)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 01, 2007, 07:13:00 am
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Odd, I will check this issue, normally you should be able to edit your posts (I don't think members can delete them tho), maybe I messed up normal members permissions somewhere x.x
Post by: dinhotheone on November 01, 2007, 10:32:00 am
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edit: either you fixed it or there wasnt really anything wrong.
anyway, im happy that you are getting a good reply here, it shows how great people our asm programmers are. Maybe someday i will be clummped in that same catagory.
This post has been edited by dinhotheone on 1 Nov, 2007, 15:34
anyway, im happy that you are getting a good reply here, it shows how great people our asm programmers are. Maybe someday i will be clummped in that same catagory.
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Post by: Liazon on November 01, 2007, 11:07:00 am
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Cool, could you sign me up for the project site? I'd like to see what else you've got.
As you can see from the screen shot I posted earlier, I spent the night ripping your tiles from that map and plugging it into the gs tilemapper I have to see how it looks.
You can probably see that gs is pretty flickery, even when it's still. It's partially because the mapper is being called so many times, but oh well. Actually, that tilemapper might be necessary, depending on how fast you want to scroll when doing the zelda style transitions. I think whole tiles will be fine though.
How do I contact this Spikeman? Can he join Omnimaga too so he can talk about what he needs for programming? And what kind of help, if any, does he need? It sounds like you guys have all the planning and stuff down solid, which makes me wonder what I can, if I can help at all.
As you can see from the screen shot I posted earlier, I spent the night ripping your tiles from that map and plugging it into the gs tilemapper I have to see how it looks.
You can probably see that gs is pretty flickery, even when it's still. It's partially because the mapper is being called so many times, but oh well. Actually, that tilemapper might be necessary, depending on how fast you want to scroll when doing the zelda style transitions. I think whole tiles will be fine though.
How do I contact this Spikeman? Can he join Omnimaga too so he can talk about what he needs for programming? And what kind of help, if any, does he need? It sounds like you guys have all the planning and stuff down solid, which makes me wonder what I can, if I can help at all.
Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 11:09:00 am
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Liazon, do you have a Google account? You will need one for the project site -- here. (if you have GMail or anything, just let me know your screen name so I can add you)
I'll contact Spikeman and let him know about this place. Maybe I can get him to sign-up.
I'll contact Spikeman and let him know about this place. Maybe I can get him to sign-up.
Post by: Liazon on November 01, 2007, 11:15:00 am
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liazonkademagu(-54125+at-)gmail(-54125+dot-)com
edit: are you guys looking to compress this into a 1 page APP?
and is spikeman using Duck's GS package, or RGP by Jim e?
and why does spikeman sound so familiar. Did he used to be on calchaven or calcgames?
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edit: are you guys looking to compress this into a 1 page APP?
and is spikeman using Duck's GS package, or RGP by Jim e?
and why does spikeman sound so familiar. Did he used to be on calchaven or calcgames?
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Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 12:13:00 pm
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Liazon, you've been added to the project page.
I still need to get in contact with Spikeman to be able to address your concerns, so give me a little while. (I only stay in touch with him via Google Talk)
He may have been in one of those communities. I know he has an account at Detached Solutions.
I still need to get in contact with Spikeman to be able to address your concerns, so give me a little while. (I only stay in touch with him via Google Talk)
He may have been in one of those communities. I know he has an account at Detached Solutions.
Post by: kalan_vod on November 01, 2007, 12:25:00 pm
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This is truly amazing!
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Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 12:29:00 pm
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Why does everyone keep asking me if this is a prank? It's really not THAT unbelievable! (although, I do feel somewhat flattered here...)
Either way, Liazon now has access to the project page and trunk. He can confirm that all the data is indeed rotting there while I wait for a programmer to come along. :P
Either way, Liazon now has access to the project page and trunk. He can confirm that all the data is indeed rotting there while I wait for a programmer to come along. :P
Post by: Liazon on November 01, 2007, 12:39:00 pm
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ya, it's not a prank. there's lot of planning, a lot of concept art, a lot of docs, yep, even some CalcGS tilesets
grendel: it's just that you posted when Kevin was doing a lot of pranks. And since you appeared as validating, some people probably assumed it was another of Kevin's jokes.
did you ever consider doing this for the other calcs? especially the ones that have better gs capabilities?
grendel: it's just that you posted when Kevin was doing a lot of pranks. And since you appeared as validating, some people probably assumed it was another of Kevin's jokes.
did you ever consider doing this for the other calcs? especially the ones that have better gs capabilities?
Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 12:42:00 pm
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Other calculators, as in other TI models, or other brands? I'm really only familiar with TI-83 / 84, and would prefer to stay within that catagory due to popularity. I worry that trying to develop for other platforms wouldn't wield as large of an audience.
I'm not totally clear on the portability of TI games, though. It could be possible to adapt the game for multiple platforms.
I'm not totally clear on the portability of TI games, though. It could be possible to adapt the game for multiple platforms.
Post by: Liazon on November 01, 2007, 12:46:00 pm
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ya, like the 68k Calculators: ti-89, ti-92+, v200, and the ti-86, which also uses z80 ASM, but it can do greyscale better.
ti-86 and 83+/84+ both use z80, so a lot of code will be the same. it's the just the 86 has a bigger screen, but you don't have to use all of it. the screen is also better because there is no LCD driver, so fastcopy is not needed. gbuf/plotsscreen on 86 is memory mapped (screen automatically shows what's there) also, 86 has no archive.
68ks, you can use TIGCC, which is a C compiler for the 68k calculators.
ti-86 and 83+/84+ both use z80, so a lot of code will be the same. it's the just the 86 has a bigger screen, but you don't have to use all of it. the screen is also better because there is no LCD driver, so fastcopy is not needed. gbuf/plotsscreen on 86 is memory mapped (screen automatically shows what's there) also, 86 has no archive.
68ks, you can use TIGCC, which is a C compiler for the 68k calculators.
Post by: Halifax on November 01, 2007, 01:47:00 pm
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@Liazon: Ahhh, I used to have the answer to that question because Jim_e said so one time. He has been holding the "fixed" source on his HD, and you would have to ask him for it.
Also, yeah, it shouldn't be that flickery.
@grendel: Can I sign up for this project too, but I don't have a gmail account. :(
Also if this was made in C, it would be much more maintainable, in my eyes. z80 assembly can be maintainable too, but I think it has to be done "right".
This post has been edited by Halifax on 1 Nov, 2007, 18:48
Also, yeah, it shouldn't be that flickery.
@grendel: Can I sign up for this project too, but I don't have a gmail account. :(
Also if this was made in C, it would be much more maintainable, in my eyes. z80 assembly can be maintainable too, but I think it has to be done "right".
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Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 01:58:00 pm
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Halifax, since the site is hosted on Google Code, you need a Google account. (which isn't that difficult to obtain -- they don't even bother you for an e-mail address)
Post by: Liazon on November 01, 2007, 02:10:00 pm
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@Halifax, asked Jim and it turned out I was multiplying the wrong numbers before calling the mapper XD
XDXD
finally fixed!!!!
ya, it is kinda flickery isn't it? well, I agree that no scrolling might look nicer. Might need to adjust the update speed to make it look nicer, but it's kinda still limited by the actual LCD :(
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You deserve it, I hope to see some movement of the engine in progress ;).
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Post by: dinhotheone on November 03, 2007, 09:10:00 am
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XDXDfinally fixed!!!!
ya, it is kinda flickery isn't it? well, I agree that no scrolling might look nicer. Might need to adjust the update speed to make it look nicer, but it's kinda still limited by the actual LCD :(
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Post by: TIfanx1999 on November 01, 2007, 02:33:00 pm
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Hey, this looks great! First grendel let me say welcome to omnimaga, and I hope you enjoy the boards! I would ramble about how amazing this project of yours looks, but it seems others have beat me to the punch! :P I have to say I'm glad to see you are finding some help on this project and I can't wait to see it completed. I would love to help, but alas I am still in the process of learning ASM :(. Anyho... good look to you!
*Edit* I do hope you stay around because you appear extremley well organized and seem to have an incredible feel for game design and concpet.
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I have to say I'm glad to see you are finding some help on this project and I can't wait to see it completed. I would love to help, but alas I am still in the process of learning ASM :(. Anyho... good look to you!*Edit* I do hope you stay around because you appear extremley well organized and seem to have an incredible feel for game design and concpet.
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Post by: kalan_vod on November 01, 2007, 02:58:00 pm
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Liazon, use wabbit ;)
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Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 03:01:00 pm
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Wow. I could certainly get used to all this ego-stroking. :P
I'm glad so many people enjoy the project. I hope I don't let anyone down!
I'm glad so many people enjoy the project. I hope I don't let anyone down!
Post by: kalan_vod on November 01, 2007, 03:03:00 pm
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You deserve it, I hope to see some movement of the engine in progress ;)
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Post by: Liazon on November 01, 2007, 03:13:00 pm
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o.o could u send me the latest windows wabbit? thanks
thanks for the good screen shot too. though from past experience, BE's never look as good as that :'(
Like grendel said, he doesn't want scrolling. that's kinda good since the mapper can be annoying to use in an APP. fortunately RGP is app safe afaik.
btw, grendel, where do you want coding to begin? I'm going to assume you want a map engine built to your specifications.
Also, Halifax and I will probably want to divide up coding responsibilities. Just for consideration that's all
could u send me the latest windows wabbit? thanksthanks for the good screen shot too. though from past experience, BE's never look as good as that :'(
Like grendel said, he doesn't want scrolling. that's kinda good since the mapper can be annoying to use in an APP. fortunately RGP is app safe afaik.
btw, grendel, where do you want coding to begin? I'm going to assume you want a map engine built to your specifications.
Also, Halifax and I will probably want to divide up coding responsibilities. Just for consideration that's all
Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 03:16:00 pm
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Liazon, wherever the developers are comfortable. Any starting point is fine.
The map engine shouldn't be too difficult to pull off. It's exactly like that of older Zelda games -- you jump from one screen to another.
The map engine shouldn't be too difficult to pull off. It's exactly like that of older Zelda games -- you jump from one screen to another.
Post by: Spikeman on November 01, 2007, 03:37:00 pm
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Hi all, I probably don't need much of an intro after being talked about so much. To answer a few questions I'm undecided whether to do an app or a standard program. I suggested that an app may be necessary because there is so much data (grayscale graphics and such). Speaking of grayscale, I was using Duck's kit but I haven't really used grayscale before so I'm not partial to either one. For people helping out PM me and I can share IM info.
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Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 03:43:00 pm
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I went ahead and added my IM info to my profile in case anyone wants to contact me directly about the project. My Google Talk info is also ghilmarsson320 (at) gmail (dot) com
Post by: Liazon on November 01, 2007, 03:48:00 pm
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I use RGP because it's newer and Jim e basically took Duck's and made it "better."
Post by: trevmeister66 on November 01, 2007, 04:37:00 pm
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Man kalan's ss looks very nice, but I think it should stay as Zelda-scrolling instead. Then again i have no asm knowledge at all, and don't know what does what. But this is looking very nice. POTY award for next year :)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 01, 2007, 06:00:00 pm
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wow this is awesome! From personal knowledge jime grayscale looked nice on calc, it shouldn't be that bad. Usually on emulator it never look as good as on calc since it isn,t accurate.
Personally I would go for an APP, keep in mind apps doesnt allow self modifying code though, so you will need to make save files as appvar. If the project is small it should fit in 32k flash app I think.
Oh and hi spikeman :)
The reason why ppl including myself thought this project was a prank yesterday is because like on april 1st (april fools day) most TI websites do pranks, and Omnimaga is actually the only one besides Calchaven (which seems to be gone now) who also does them on Halloween day. And your project was posted right on halloween day so we thought it was one of the Omnimaga staff who faked a project announcement. :P
Our 83+SE port of Zelda Minish Cap april fools joke in 2005 prbly didn't helped either
Personally I would go for an APP, keep in mind apps doesnt allow self modifying code though, so you will need to make save files as appvar. If the project is small it should fit in 32k flash app I think.
Oh and hi spikeman :)
The reason why ppl including myself thought this project was a prank yesterday is because like on april 1st (april fools day) most TI websites do pranks, and Omnimaga is actually the only one besides Calchaven (which seems to be gone now) who also does them on Halloween day. And your project was posted right on halloween day so we thought it was one of the Omnimaga staff who faked a project announcement. :P
Our 83+SE port of Zelda Minish Cap april fools joke in 2005 prbly didn't helped either
Post by: Spikeman on November 01, 2007, 06:08:00 pm
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Alright, sounds like we will use Jim e's thing and it will be an APP. Appvars aren't a problem. Being able to have just your save game and being able to put it in a group or back it up to your computer is nice anyways.
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 01, 2007, 06:09:00 pm
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Yeah, being an app also protect the game from RAM clears as well, since it's always in archive and doesn't need to be unarchived to run
Post by: Zera on November 02, 2007, 02:01:00 am
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*approves*
I don't know a whole lot about this technical stuff, so I'll leave it up to whoever else is participating in the project to determine. (they would know best, after all)
I don't know a whole lot about this technical stuff, so I'll leave it up to whoever else is participating in the project to determine. (they would know best, after all)
Post by: Halifax on November 02, 2007, 09:56:00 am
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Liazon: It would be great if you could setup a SVN, and maybe we should put together some coding standards so we can modify each others code easier.
Post by: Liazon on November 02, 2007, 11:35:00 am
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I think the project site already has an SVN.
why don't you want to get gmail?
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DJ_Omnimaga: you were right, Jim e's RGP looks just as good on BEs as SEs. Lemme tell you the story of how I found out.
As some may know, I have an 84+SE. To test performance on BEs, I borrow my friend's blue 83+, which from what people tell me, are special edition BEs. Now, everytime I test grayscale on his calc, it's ultra flickery and impossible to see anything.
now today, this morning, I just happened to meet one of my friends w/ a black BE, so I decided to try the GS stuff on his calc first. It was awesome!!!!!!! :banghead:
:banghead::banghead: then it hit me that I probably never used LCD fix on my other friends blue BE because I assumed only SEs had LCD driver issues. So now I know that it looks just as good on either. I guess I should probably put LCDfix on my friends blue BE.
This really changed my perspective on gs games because prior to this discovery, I had always assumed BEs were flickery when it came to grayscale. I also realize that I'll need to distribute LCDfix when distributing anything w/ gs because so many people I know have blue, purple, or green 83+BEs.
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why don't you want to get gmail?
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DJ_Omnimaga: you were right, Jim e's RGP looks just as good on BEs as SEs. Lemme tell you the story of how I found out.
As some may know, I have an 84+SE. To test performance on BEs, I borrow my friend's blue 83+, which from what people tell me, are special edition BEs. Now, everytime I test grayscale on his calc, it's ultra flickery and impossible to see anything.
now today, this morning, I just happened to meet one of my friends w/ a black BE, so I decided to try the GS stuff on his calc first. It was awesome!!!!!!! :banghead:
:banghead::banghead: then it hit me that I probably never used LCD fix on my other friends blue BE because I assumed only SEs had LCD driver issues. So now I know that it looks just as good on either. I guess I should probably put LCDfix on my friends blue BE.This really changed my perspective on gs games because prior to this discovery, I had always assumed BEs were flickery when it came to grayscale. I also realize that I'll need to distribute LCDfix when distributing anything w/ gs because so many people I know have blue, purple, or green 83+BEs.
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Post by: Zera on November 02, 2007, 12:29:00 pm
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Yes, the project has an SVN. Spikeman knows more about that than I do. I just update the files from my computer and know nothing more about how to operate it.
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Can someone point me to this LCDfix? I've never heard of it. o.o
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 02, 2007, 03:41:00 pm
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Hold on I will search for it on ticalc in a few secs, I'll edit my post with the linjk
EDIT: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/366/36608.html
EDIT: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/366/36608.html
Post by: Liazon on November 03, 2007, 03:57:00 am
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thanks DJ_Omnimaga
Halifax:
For the most part, we both agree on using:
1.) Wabbitspasm
2.) Wabbitemu (yes, finally got a copy, woot!)
3.) RGP for grayscale
I'm going to test out and see if we need the gs mapper to do Zelda style transistions.
Halifax:
For the most part, we both agree on using:
1.) Wabbitspasm
2.) Wabbitemu (yes, finally got a copy, woot!)
3.) RGP for grayscale
I'm going to test out and see if we need the gs mapper to do Zelda style transistions.
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So why is the sequal in production when the original isn't even close to being done?
I'm just kidding around actually, they were all great movies, just the earlier ones were better. I'm just poking fun now, but this thread is about Lost Legends 2 so I'm gonna get back on topic now.
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