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« Reply #270 on: December 17, 2007, 11:34:00 am »

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no you see, since it's a flash APP, I can't do something like
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« Reply #271 on: December 17, 2007, 11:54:00 am »

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ooh i see, i was afraid you decided to make the game a 8xp program again, good to see it's just for variable and such stuff


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« Reply #272 on: December 17, 2007, 12:09:00 pm »

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ya, as it was mentioned before, the amount of static data would definitely be at least an app page.  it's hard to say if code would exceed 8k, but it probably will.

and dont' worry about losing stuff in a crash, appvar can be archived fortunately :)smile.gif


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« Reply #273 on: December 18, 2007, 01:35:00 am »

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You wont be able to seperate the grayscale active buffers from one another since they interlacing uses an optimisation that relies upon them being together in memory :Swacko.gif.  


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« Reply #274 on: December 18, 2007, 11:09:00 am »

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too bad :(sad.gif i always wondered why they were usually together.

almost forgot to thank you for telling me that.  it would have been nasty if I had finished the game and tried that "optimization" only to find it was nasty. lol

thanks tr1p1ea!!!  :Dbiggrin.gif

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« Reply #275 on: December 18, 2007, 08:33:00 pm »

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Keep up the good work, guys!  


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« Reply #276 on: December 19, 2007, 04:37:00 pm »

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About the grayscale thing: I'm fairly sure Duck's GS kit does what Grendel was talking about (make the dark gray transparent). At least his Zelda demo did and looking over the code I didn't see anything special to do it. Either way I'd be willing to make a routine to say, convert a sprite stored in that form (dark gray = transparent) to a sprite and a mask just to save storage space.  


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« Reply #277 on: December 19, 2007, 04:58:00 pm »

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If durk gpp does it, Jim E RGP must do it, IIRC it was an enhanced version of durks  


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« Reply #278 on: December 20, 2007, 03:13:00 am »

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Yeah Jims routines are compatible with Duck's. Although you save space with that masking routine (2-bits/pixel instead of 3) you lose a shade of gray.  


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« Reply #279 on: December 20, 2007, 03:25:00 am »

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Yeah Jims routines are compatible with Duck's. Although you save space with that masking routine (2-bits/pixel instead of 3) you lose a shade of gray.  

 With as much graphics data that is planned for this game, I would recommend using the the GS routines that save the most memory.

Transparency is not necessary for this game; and it would be completely unnoticeable by the end user.  

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« Reply #280 on: December 20, 2007, 03:47:00 am »

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yeah but then doing it 3 level gs would require the entire sprite sheet to be redone and it may not look very great with some sprites  


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« Reply #281 on: December 20, 2007, 03:50:00 am »

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Yeah Jims routines are compatible with Duck's. Although you save space with that masking routine (2-bits/pixel instead of 3) you lose a shade of gray.

With as much graphics data that is planned for this game, I would recommend using the the GS routines that save the most memory.

Transparency is not necessary for this game; and it would be completely unnoticeable by the end user.

Actually, it is necessary. (albeit, only for one sprite) There's a lot of empty space bordering the main character's sprite set. When super-imposed on top of most floor tiles, it wouldn't look right without some kind of transparency.

And Spikeman, I like your idea, but since we're using a custom mapper, would it be compatible?

EDIT: My main concern is what ends up being most efficient. If we could write a custom routine for transparency that would require less memory than mapping, then I say we should go for it. Every little bit of free space helps.

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« Reply #282 on: December 20, 2007, 04:15:00 am »

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Actually, it is necessary. (albeit, only for one sprite) There's a lot of empty space bordering the main character's sprite set. When super-imposed on top of most floor tiles, it wouldn't look right without some kind of transparency.

Again... Transparency is not necessary -- according to triplea, you will lose a one shade of gray.

Proper masking will do the exactly what you want to do AND use you get to keep all colors. ;)wink.gif

You will only have to generate the mask for the one sprite.


Edit - My mistake... Having a mask for every tile would require more memory. But for just one tile would be negligible. :oops:embarassed.gif

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« Reply #283 on: December 20, 2007, 04:21:00 am »

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Ranman I think grendel means transparency as masking. At first i misinterpreted you though and thought you wanted him to do the game so the char sprite has an ugly white square around him when he walks on textured tiles, which doesn't look professional above 12x12. I think masking would be the solution, lot of games use it including Tr1p1ea's Desolate.

EDIT: THat goes for the playable character btw, not the NPCs, because for the NPC you could always store its sprite in the tileset and have it display as a tile instead of a sprite so you could edit the sprite border so the background is similar to the rest of the floor in the room

In games using 12x12 or 8x8 sprites it's not too bad because things are small and it's hard to notice the squares since in most of those the character almost takes the entire sprite slot  


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« Reply #284 on: December 20, 2007, 05:58:00 am »

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... according to triplea, you will lose a one shade of gray.  

 But the sprite is only 3-level grayscale -- the darker gray isn't used at all. Which is why I proposed it as a candidate for transparency. ;)wink.gif