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Title: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Augs on December 09, 2012, 07:40:49 am: Read this: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/8/3744314/gabe-newell-valve-console-living-room-steam-box#

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: stevon8ter on December 09, 2012, 07:48:43 am: (http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/CharzyCharChar/WHEEEEEEE.gif)

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Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: JoeyBelgier on December 09, 2012, 07:58:44 am: Cool. There's not really a need for it, but it could be cool.
Steam Big Picture + TV + PC would already do the trick but I guess this could work on a smaller budget.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: TIfanx1999 on December 09, 2012, 10:37:32 am: Not really interested. I already have a living room PC hooked up to my TV in there.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: pimathbrainiac on December 09, 2012, 03:39:56 pm: (http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/CharzyCharChar/WHEEEEEEE.gif)
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sorry, stevon8ter... stolen/ninja'd/rickroll'd
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: stevon8ter on December 09, 2012, 03:41:50 pm: Np pimath xD

I stole it from the valve post itself anyways xD
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: pimathbrainiac on December 09, 2012, 03:42:49 pm: /me facepalms

Just saw that!
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: stevon8ter on December 09, 2012, 03:43:30 pm: Woops xD
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: epic7 on December 09, 2012, 03:45:16 pm: Spoiler For Spoiler:
TRIPLE STOLEN.
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/CharzyCharChar/WHEEEEEEE.gif)

Living room steam.
Sounds pretty cool :D

Will they actually be making their own PCs?
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: stevon8ter on December 09, 2012, 03:47:17 pm: I hope so... Valve + pc = epic (7) gameplay xD
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: pimathbrainiac on December 09, 2012, 03:48:17 pm: That would be c00l... I think so.

AND

Spoiler For Spoiler:
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/CharzyCharChar/WHEEEEEEE.gif)
QUAD STOLEN!
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2012, 03:53:00 pm: Quote from: pimathbrainiac on December 09, 2012, 03:39:56 pm
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/CharzyCharChar/WHEEEEEEE.gif)

Lol someone needs to remake the w00t emoticon like that

But yeah this seems kinda nice. However I wonder how it will do with already 3 other established console companies around? If it supports Steam's games, then it might do well due to the large variety of them, but if it has a limited game genre library like the PS3 had, then it might be problematic for them. I keep hearing about other companies wanting to release their own consoles as well, like Apple, for example, and the On-Live console. Hoping that the video game market won't get over-saturated or something (although the cool thing would be lower console prices)
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: stevon8ter on December 09, 2012, 03:59:39 pm: If this can run steam games then who needs the ps3? :o all console players just need their steam account to go on pc but also on console, now they have to buy steam version and/or ps version

So only 1 version :w00t:
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2012, 04:03:21 pm: Steam is on the PS3? ???
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: stevon8ter on December 09, 2012, 04:09:21 pm: No but i mean, if someone want to play for example mw3 on the console but also on pc, he needs to buy the ps3 version, and the steam version, so pay 2 times

And if steam is supported on valve console, they only have to buy the game once.... For console and pc together...
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2012, 04:19:56 pm: Oh, right, although I bet the console version of Steam would support more games than the PC counterpart (or they would release a paid service for the PC), else it would completely defeat the point of the console since most people got a computer nowadays.

But yeah I really hate how online computer games can't be played with console people. Minecraft, CoD, Halo 2 PC (although now Xbox Live v1 is shut down anyway), etc
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Sorunome on December 09, 2012, 04:28:06 pm: how about :w00t2: being
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/CharzyCharChar/WHEEEEEEE.gif)
And that's how a feel about it :P
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2012, 06:33:34 pm: I don't think members will like if people start using a 306x310 size emoticon on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Juju on December 09, 2012, 06:43:00 pm: Well, Portal 2 is pretty much the first console game you can play online with PCs, I bet others will follow soon.

Other than that, there's this OUYA console going out soon IIRC, if Valve makes games on this console that would be pretty interesting and would seriously compete with the 3 other consoles.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Darl181 on December 09, 2012, 08:58:50 pm: (http://darl181.webuda.com/other/woot2.gif)

:P

Sounds pretty cool. Never played any steam games myself but it's nice to see more options than the normal three companies.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: willrandship on December 10, 2012, 02:01:01 am: I'm loving the Linux attention from Valve, and I'm betting that this has to do with it.

Since Valve is a company that makes money on software, and that's not changing anytime soon, they'll probably release their OS for the thing as Open Source. Sure, there will be SteamBox knockoffs, but they still make Valve money. It's like the IBM PC/Windows fiasco, but the money still goes to IBM. :P I don't see a downside.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 12, 2012, 02:16:36 pm: Well to be honest, unless you play online, I don't really see the point of buying the same game twice if you own both systems. Online is a different story, though, since some of your friends will own one version and others will own the other version.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Juju on December 12, 2012, 02:27:58 pm: I own both Portal 1 and 2 on both Xbox 360 and PC. I guess it might be useless, but if your gaming PC and your Xbox are in different rooms and you're too lazy (or you're unable because your mom is watching TV/is on your computer) to switch between both, that might be useful.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 12, 2012, 02:35:26 pm: Ah yeah true about that. Although I think in a not so distant future, for those with no issues with parents, I think there will be more and more people using the same screen for both their computer and consoles, along with TV.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: willrandship on December 13, 2012, 05:33:07 am: Steam specializes in making you not buy the same game twice. The problem with the Xbox is that it doesn't run Steam. AFAICT PS3 games from valve can be registered on Steam, so you can play them on the PC too.

I personally think the Ouya made a mistake by requiring Free to Play. Why can't that be up to the developers?

Personal gripes with F2P

* It means you don't actually own the game.
* It doesn't work unless there's content to buy internally. (RPGs, for example)
* It requires developers to force something they don't want into their games, be it advertisements or in-game money supplies.
* It requires the game to be something to be played consistently, rather than in short spurts. Only the truly addicted will buy anything.
* Free to Play means constantly being annoyed by the ability to spend MORE money on a game. You can never spend too much on a "Free to Play" game.
* Extreme gameplay imbalances are created by those who are willing to spend money.

I'm not saying F2P is a terrible thing, just that it doesn't always work. This means that, IMO, the Ouya is limiting itself to a particular range of games. That's a bad thing. They don't yet know their userbase, so they don't know what kind of games are going to be the most successful.

Now, I'm not saying the Ouya won't succeed. I just won't get one.

Oh, also, the primary motivation for developers like Valve to make their own console is that they can optimize heavily for it. That means that you get more performance for cost, so there's an incentive to buy the console rather than have a massive gaming computer. Cheap computer+console = $800-ish. Expensive computer for gaming > $1000
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 13, 2012, 09:39:25 am: I don't mind F2P games sometimes, but yeah I hate how to do any decent progress you have to buy stuff like experience booster, and due to being addicting, some people end up with a $5000 bill at the end of the month if they aren't careful. And when the game stops being updated, it dies and then they begin to lose money, so the server closes, with all your progress in it.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: willrandship on December 13, 2012, 10:49:26 am: Exactly. F2P games really require an ongoing server end to be successful. I don't see any good reason to limit yourself to only that type of game.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Scipi on December 13, 2012, 03:03:07 pm: I think all the F2P really is, is they must at least have a free demo. How much of the game is in the demo, or what parts are F2P is up to the developer. So say, in my own game I'm planning on releasing, I'll only have the first level or so open as F2P or even a demo level for the purpose of whetting a player's appetite. For the rest of the game, they'll need to purchase it.

You guys seem to be thinking of games like Evony which is completely F2P with in game purchases. This won't be the only kind of game available, actually, there might only be a handful of games like that. Instead, there will more likely be AAA-style games with a 5-10 minute demo or such.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: pimathbrainiac on December 13, 2012, 03:21:30 pm: You forgot that certain F2P's (DOTA 2 [beta] and TF2) are full games that are not pay-to-win and also are extremely amazing!
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: TIfanx1999 on December 14, 2012, 06:36:42 am: Quote from: willrandship on December 13, 2012, 05:33:07 am
Steam specializes in making you not buy the same game twice. The problem with the Xbox is that it doesn't run Steam. AFAICT PS3 games from valve can be registered on Steam, so you can play them on the PC too.

I personally think the Ouya made a mistake by requiring Free to Play. Why can't that be up to the developers?

Personal gripes with F2P

* It means you don't actually own the game.
* It doesn't work unless there's content to buy internally. (RPGs, for example)
* It requires developers to force something they don't want into their games, be it advertisements or in-game money supplies.
* It requires the game to be something to be played consistently, rather than in short spurts. Only the truly addicted will buy anything.
* Free to Play means constantly being annoyed by the ability to spend MORE money on a game. You can never spend too much on a "Free to Play" game.
* Extreme gameplay imbalances are created by those who are willing to spend money.

I'm not saying F2P is a terrible thing, just that it doesn't always work. This means that, IMO, the Ouya is limiting itself to a particular range of games. That's a bad thing. They don't yet know their userbase, so they don't know what kind of games are going to be the most successful.

Now, I'm not saying the Ouya won't succeed. I just won't get one.

Oh, also, the primary motivation for developers like Valve to make their own console is that they can optimize heavily for it. That means that you get more performance for cost, so there's an incentive to buy the console rather than have a massive gaming computer. Cheap computer+console = $800-ish. Expensive computer for gaming > $1000
You do realize that the F2p condition means they could do something as simple as providing a demo right? It does not have to be integrated into the developer's final product. I myself am actually quite interested in the Ouya. :)
*Edit* Overlooked Homer's post XD but yea...
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Adriweb on December 14, 2012, 07:28:11 am: I'm not a hardcore gamer at all, but from what I see in LoL (league of legends), I think Riot (the editor) implemented well the F2P way of gaming, with pay items not giving [too much of an] advantage to players (at least at my level...)
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: willrandship on December 17, 2012, 09:34:06 pm: Would the developers then have to include their own internal method of payment?
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Scipi on December 17, 2012, 09:45:14 pm: There's supposed to be tools available for the developer in the DevKit to allow integration with the store. So I assume the developer has the option to include internal methods of payment. But it certainly is not a required thing, I would assume.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: tr1p1ea on December 17, 2012, 10:15:50 pm: Valve died with the release of STEAM imo.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: willrandship on December 26, 2012, 04:01:20 pm: I don't see how....good or bad, Steam is making Valve boatloads of money.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Nick on December 26, 2012, 04:09:03 pm: Quote from: tr1p1ea on December 17, 2012, 10:15:50 pm
Valve died with the release of STEAM imo.

how do you mean? like you hate them now, or they're going broke?
Steam is very popular, especially its offers it gives with summer, holidays etc. so i don't really get why it would be dying..

a gaming pc in the living room only for steam is something you only buy if you have too much money imo. they're expensive and they 'expire' after a while, so you would have to buy a new one (or at least new graphics card, cpu etc) every year/2 years, so that's just not reliable imo
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 26, 2012, 06:30:49 pm: I like Steam because at least it gives us the chance to have game deals we wouldn't get anywhere. In retail stores, most games are about $10-20 more expensive than on Steam most of the time when on sale, and don't get me started on Walmart (at Walmart, some games from 4 years ago are still $29.99-49.99).
Title: Re: Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
Post by: Scipi on December 27, 2012, 12:40:56 am: Not to mention some of the huge sales Steam offers regularly. I've been able to get most of my games for under $10 because I was able to take advantage of 50%-75% off deals. That's a huge benefit to gamers like myself with low income.