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84 Plus...ten apps...out of memory...help?
« on: January 24, 2011, 06:54:39 pm »
I have an 84+ that only accepts a limited number of apps.  Before, the limit was 10.  Now, it won't send any past SIX.
I tried to update axe, tilp deleted it, and won't send any apps whatsoever.
I've tried re-sending the OS (which, by the way, doesn't work now), garbage collecting, defragging, pretty much everything and it just doesn't work.
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OS, 2.43
Base, 2.43
Boot, 1.02
hardware stuff: S-0305B

I've been having this problem for months, and now it's even worse.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2011, 02:35:19 pm by Darl181 »
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 07:12:47 pm »
Okay, let's see.  Can you get calcsys on there? If so, run it, then press Next > Vat > Applications.  See if it only shows 6, or if it thinks there are other apps there.  You might also be able to see this in memory.
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 08:20:15 pm »
If calcsys is a 1-page app, I should be able to msd8x it.
Just a minute...
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 08:22:38 pm »
Quote from: Darl181 on January 24, 2011, 08:20:15 pm
If calcsys is a 1-page app, I should be able to msd8x it.
Just a minute...
Oh, you can msd8x apps. Sweet. I've never actually done that.
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 08:30:43 pm »
Didn't work...it showed the main menu, I pressed "more" and it crashed
I can't copy it to the calc (it freezes on "transferring") and running it from msd8x crashes.

What's "console", and why is it making strange characters?
It's making these weird symbols which scroll up the screen...and it's still going...

Okay, I got calcsys on.   It only shows the apps I (legitimately) have.

btw I was only able to get calcsys on after I deleted mirageos, so the 6-app limit isn't broken
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 09:16:36 pm »
I'm just speculating here, but...

It might have something to do with the position of the temporary swap sector.
Try filling all your FlashROM with user programs, manually delete all the programs, garbage collect, then repeat these steps twice. The important part is to fill your FlashROM with stuff.

EDIT: What I believe this is supposed to do is to move the temp swap sector back to a lower address, thus removing this "limit" that you have. This is assuming I have all the information right.
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 09:44:13 pm »
What is the temp swap sector?
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 09:58:26 pm »
The swap sector is used during garbage collection and defragmentation to store data temporarily. If the above procedure doesn't work, you can try resetting All Memory from the Memory>Reset menu. (Just resetting the Archive will not erase the swap sector. I know this because I once wrote a program that marked every sector as a swap sector.) This should temporarily give you 64 K of extra archive memory because no swap sector will exist. I believe you need to force a garbage collect---you can do this from the Catalog---to get it to recreate the swap sector. If you fill up memory before creating a swap sector, you won't be able to garbage collect or defragment.

I had a similar problem, too, previously. I can't recall exactly how I fixed it, but I did fix it.
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 10:00:55 pm »
It garbage collects fine...
And there's plenty of mem free.  76k.
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 10:03:31 pm »
But have you tried either of the above procedures? My warning about garbage collect issues only applies <i>after</i> you Reset All Memory.
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 10:05:04 pm »
I would really prefer not resetting the whole memory...if this gets really desperate I'll do that...but I'm not there just yet :P
And calcsys is on my calc right now, I just don't want to screw around with it and make things worse.

Calcsys → 6:More → 1:VAT → 3:Applications
69:CalcUtil
68:Krolypto
67:USBDRV8X
66:MSD8X
65:Omnicalc
[next page]
64:Calcsys

I'll try at the temp swap sector thing...repeat twice you say?
I'll have to fill up my msd8x drive.

okay...1.3mb worth of stuff...wish me luck
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 11:48:01 pm »
Quote from: Darl181 on January 24, 2011, 10:00:55 pm
It garbage collects fine...
And there's plenty of mem free.  76k.
That's really not very much, especially when you're talking about flash sectors. That could be the whole problem right there. Apps cannot be in the same 64k sector as other variables, I'm pretty sure.
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 02:31:41 pm »
Okay, I'm doing something right, after doing what Iambian suggested (and programs like desolate and gemini are great for that ;D), I'm up to 12 apps, and can probably add more.
Yes, I kind of understand how the archive is structured...at least now...

A question about msd8x.  Can it run multi-page apps safely?  Because i might have to resort to doing that...axe I mean... Nvm, "This application is too large to run."  Dang...

Just noticed something.  I have 12 apps, but..."ARC FREE: 0".  I delete one (1-page) app and it jumps to 55419, not 16384, free.  Is this normal?

Another edit...I found the dumpcert thing on the flash drive, and was wondering if anything can be diagnosed from it.
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 02:52:36 pm »
Have you tried taking out all the batteries, including the backup, for at least 6 hours? That resets a lot of things, including Flash memory (more than a reset does)

And no, that's not normal :P
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Re: 84 Plus...six apps...out of memory...help?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2011, 03:07:22 pm »
I hope parts of the the Flash chip is not defective.
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