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another problem caused by the new OS?
« on: March 06, 2010, 11:02:10 pm »
also i have another question... i just tried something that uses xLib on my TI-84 and for some reason no mattyer what i do to enable the xLib any applications that require it just simply say it isn't activated... or basic programs simply crash... (such as this program: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/387/38746.html ) (and this one: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/396/39695.html )

is this caused by the new OS?



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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 11:19:18 pm »
Most likely. Try using Celtic III instead.
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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010, 11:33:57 pm »
ok
i am testing that right now

edit:
it seems to help... but the programs are all messed up...

this could be either caused by not using xlib and using celtic III instead, or the new OS again...

since now some of the programs run, but have their screens and controls messed up...
« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 11:39:25 pm by schoolhacker »



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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 11:58:20 pm »
yeah the compatibily issues are annoying sometimes. Some games like XXR and Metroid II will run not too bad, but others will mess up very badly.

One issue is that certain xLIB games abuses xLIB bugs and glitches to perform some special effects. These glitches are not all emulated in Celtic III.

The only solution is to downgrade to OS 2.43, which you have to google or download from french TI sites such as TI-BANK

Even Omnicalc messes up sometimes in 2.53MP. I also had issues with anything using reverse text (white fonts on black)

I even heard stories about some new OS functions being buggy, even wehn you have absolutely no ASM program installed x.x
« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 11:59:19 pm by DJ Omnimaga »

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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2010, 12:05:11 am »
wow...

thats just stupid...
why would TI release such a half ass new OS with sooo many issues?



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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2010, 12:17:32 am »
They most likely released it to combat All the third party OS's in development.
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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010, 12:47:34 am »
but they aren't even out yet...
i have not even seen or heard of one btw...  :-X

could you show me some by links?

or is someone on this site already developing one?

oh man... i am going to start looking as soon as i finish writing this post



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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2010, 01:32:56 am »
There aren't any finished, but TI knows the community is up for something. Don't you find ironic that a new Nspire OS came out the week after the exploit was released?

I think people such as Brandon Wilson are working on new OSes, but I think the community looks more forward for trying to patches the issues in the ones TI release, since this would be much less work.

As for bugs, this is not new. TI calcs had bugs since the day the TI-81 came out. On the 83 and 83+ (early OSes) it was possible to crash the calc through an Equ>String bug. On 83+ OS 1.13, by scrolling the prgm menu with 50+ programs, the RAM cleared. I heard stories about Nspire OS bugs causing reboots. Finally, the classic memory leak in TI-BASIC caused by using a Goto inside a loop/condition block.

There is a topic listing glitches for TI-83+ and 84+ OSes from 1.12 to 2.43 at http://ourl.ca/3687

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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2010, 02:33:14 am »
wow.... this is really really interesting...

I AM SOOO GOING TO ABUSE THIS LOL!!!  :o

thx for posting that! my friends will be surprised next lol :P

btw... i always play harmless jokes on their calcs... plus they never put anything in their ram so reseting doesn't cause them any inconvenience...
and they regularly reset their calcs anyways... :)

thx for posting that! now i can write and rewrite some of my old prank programs lol



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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2010, 02:54:45 am »
ah ok well try to not cause anything bad XD

The farthest I went is decreasing their contrast or installing fake viruses on their calc. Just make sure they have nothing important on their calc first, and I recommend against the group glitch and the equ>str one. They are very dangerous and could damage the calc.

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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 02:59:57 am »
ahh... i see... i will take that in mind...

i dont want to break their calcs lol...

the funniest one i did was the infinite garbage collection program lol...

it was the first assembly program i ever wrote... it basically shows the garbage collecting screen for ever lol...
one of my friends waited an entire period at school and then ran to me asking wtf did i do to it lol

i simply pressed a key combination and it got out :P

oh... and he didn't just pull out the batteries because he knew that during a garbage collection if you interrupt it, it would seriously screw up the memory...
(i found that out the hard way :O)



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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2010, 03:21:42 am »
WAIT! I wish I had a prog like this back when I coded The Reign Of Legends series. In these games, we had poor asm libs compared to xLIB and Celtic III, and we had to archive/unarchive a lot to fit the game on calc. However, this caused GC's, and sometimes we smashed enter too fast, and it exited the game with ERR:ARCHIVE FULL. Didn't save progress and got pissed. A program to force garbage collections every few battle would have been very handy.

However, today it wouldn't be as useful anymore to many people since the old method of archiving/unarchiving has been obsoleted by xLIB prgm copy functions (copying programs from archive to temporary RAM files)

Anyway back on topic, I hope BrandonW or someone will release a patch to fix all the compatibility issues in 2.53 MP. Mapar007 did a patch for 2.43 to disable the teacher feature to lock down the PRGM menu on 84+ calcs.

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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2010, 04:39:12 am »
The prog he talks about simply shows the screen with 'Garbage collecting...'. It doesn't actually do anything, if I understand it correctly.

To force a GC (that means: no yes/no prompt), you need to call an OS-dependent address in memory. I've got them for some versions, but as I don't have the binaries for all of them, I can't work them out for every existing OS. There is no BCALL for immediate Garbage Collections.
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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 04:46:57 am »
aaah ok I see. Thanks for the info

Btw, do you know if it's possible to change the garbage collect message or show none at all? For example, in a game like ROL3, I have a menu option to garbage collect manually, but it would have been cool for example if it automatically did it then right before I launch the command, I display "Reorganizing Archive Memory, this may take up to 1 minutes". Newbies, including myself back in 2001, can be scared when seeing the name Garbage Collect. By seeing Garbage, they may think if they choose yes, that their memory will be cleared. In french, TI fixed this by translating Garbage Collect to Reorganize Mem.

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Re: another problem caused by the new OS?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 11:34:44 am »
This is the worst thing about Garbage Collects.  Whenever someone sees "Garbage Collect" for the first time, they panic.  I sure did.  I deleted programs instead of Garbage Collecting them. :D

FFTOM2's readme has one of my favorite descriptions of Garbage Collects.  It compares it to a library, and makes the user no longer scared of Garbage Collecting. :)