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Calculator Community => TI Calculators => General Calculator Help => Topic started by: Liazon on November 28, 2007, 10:35:00 am

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Liazon on November 28, 2007, 10:35:00 am

Hey everyone!

I don't have a comp w/ Vista yet, but I might be changing in the near future.  I don't know which programs don't work on Vista

Does anyone know if tiemu and tilem work on Vista?  I assume it does since it's still WIP.

Can someone w/ Vista try http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/133/13347.html and http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/132/13274.html? and tell me if they work on Vista?

Thanks!

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: lordofthegeeks on November 28, 2007, 10:52:00 am

I know that tiem works and I will try the other files in a bit :)
btw I have vista home premium "yayyers"
also calc capture works && I have problems sometimes with graphlink but none with the ticonnect software :)

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Zera on November 28, 2007, 12:21:00 pm

I'm not sure about the compatibility of these programs, but there are a lot of compatibilitiy issues in general. I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't get half of them working. I haven't personally used Vista, though. Some of my clients have, and I'm only conveying some of the many problems they've had with this system. Windows wise, I haven't used anything post-2000. It's all downhill from there.

I'm not sure if Vista includes a compatability layer for older builds, like XP did. Even if it does, I'm not sure how well it works. From what I understand, half of Vista's system processes don't even work most of the time.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: lordofthegeeks on November 28, 2007, 02:35:00 pm

I have the weekly crash happen if thats what you mean :)

1.EDIT ok I tested CalcGS normal operation didn't crash

So I loaded a 64 kb image XD


you should have seen what it did after I ran the sprite animated :)

2.Edit: @Moderators if the pic is to larger I can swap it to a thumbnail.

3.Edit: I tested Istudio IT worked great no errors and gave me the lovley grayscaled images.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: JonimusPrime on November 29, 2007, 01:48:00 am

Well I'm getting a Vista comp soon so I hope I can still get all of my program to work.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: rivereye on November 29, 2007, 04:18:00 am

Otherwise, get Ultimate, get Virtual PC 2007 (free) and run Windows XP in there for your stuff (I have Ultimate, and it works great for me, that, and DreamScene is sexy).

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: lordofthegeeks on November 29, 2007, 09:45:00 am

The virtual pc runs on home preimum too.  I got windows 98 se running.
It just not suported by microsoft on that platform :)

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Zera on November 29, 2007, 09:56:00 am

And this is another reason why I refuse to use Vista. Whenever there's an incompatibility, someone actually recommends emulating an ENTIRE operating system just to overcome a simple flaw. Now, let's think about how irrational this actually is -- you upgrade from, say, Windows XP and decide to run a tiny program that's no more than a couple hundred kilobytes. Since it turns out to be incompatible, you have to run a bloated emulator to emulate the very operating system you "upgraded" from to begin with, and all to execute one single program.

I have a serious question, and I don't mean to derail this discussion or anything, but what is the rational behind using Vista to begin with? Prettier graphics? It certainly isn't bolstering any enhanced performance or functionality!

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: rivereye on November 29, 2007, 10:00:00 am

actually, I was just saying it could be done, but I don't actually recommend it really.

Also, Vista does look better. There are new features, and security enhancements also.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Zera on November 29, 2007, 10:04:00 am

QuoteBegin-rivereye+29 Nov, 2007, 16:0-->

QUOTE (rivereye @ 29 Nov, 2007, 16:00)

actually, I was just saying it could be done, but I don't actually recommend it really.

 Err, I wasn't necessarily complaining about it being recommended in this thread -- it's just that I've heard it more than once. Whenever someone complains about compatibility issues, Vista digeratis pop in to patronize them and recommend emulating XP, or some similar nonsense. It's really tiresome how annoying Microsoft's fanbase can be. I actually (seriously) wonder if MS hires people to go around the Internet spreading propaganda and half-truths about MS products, to make it appear as if there is any valid counter-point to common criticisms. I know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony#Fictitious_movie_reviewer...

That's another subject entirely, though. It's not safe to mention MS around me. :P

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Liazon on November 29, 2007, 11:16:00 am

thanks lordofthegeeks!

the eyecandy doesn't matter to me.  as long as it gets the job done.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: lordofthegeeks on November 29, 2007, 12:42:00 pm

the virtual pc manager takes 17 mbs to run and when I am running winows  98se w. 256 mb of ram it took the rm total + 8mbs for a virtual graphic card + 4 mbs for the "code" as the emu calls it.

plus it runs faster than my old pc :)
and no I am not paid by microsoft But if yo read this You can pay me if you want :wub:

BTW I love XP :)

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2007, 01:07:00 pm

I recommend that when an OS is released to wait at least 3 years before switching. Usually after 3 years new computers get better and run the OS more properly and at fast speed and most programs have been updated to run on Vista. Thats what I did all the time since I got a PC. When I got a PC it had 2000 installed. Then in late 2004 i switched to xp after formatting, and I am not planning to switch to vista anytime soon. 'though, the good thing about Vista is that some versions of the OS are pretty cheap compared to Windows 95,98, 2000 and XP when they came out. I remember they were like $40-500 over here when they came out and never dropped under $300, when you can get Vista Basic over here for $179 (if not less). It's funny to go in stores and you look on the shelves and the Windows XP price is higher than Vista :P

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: TIfanx1999 on November 29, 2007, 01:29:00 pm

I have a new hp pavillion that we got last week so ill test calc gs on mine and see if i have the same problem that lordofthegeeks did. I'd have to say that i really hate Vista. It's interface is over complicated and alot of the added stuff is really unnessecary. The sheer size of VISTA is XBOX huge, although this IS microsoft we're talking about. :P Plus it is SLOW compared to XP. XP is definitley my favorite ver. of windows,(in classic mode of course)although Windows NT makes a close second.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Zera on November 29, 2007, 01:32:00 pm

QuoteBegin-DJ Omnimaga+29 Nov, 2007, 19:07-->

QUOTE (DJ Omnimaga @ 29 Nov, 2007, 19:07)

I recommend that when an OS is released to wait at least 3 years before switching.

 Ditto. It's a good idea to at least wait for adequate support, testing and coverage. Vista is kind of in its early stages, and hasn't really recieved any updates.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: TIfanx1999 on November 29, 2007, 01:48:00 pm

If you're buying a new PC waiting isn't an option as the new os is pretty much forced on you.  :grr: Unless of course you want to special order one with XP (if the option is avalible) or go out and buy a version of the previous os and have to pay for that and then hope you can find drivers for all your new hardware.... Big companies try to force change wether it is progress or not because they have to distrube their new software and make more $$.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2007, 02:15:00 pm

yeah thats a problem, which is why when you live in USA where individual part price doesn't rise because of exporting fees like over here it is preferable that you build your pc yourself

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Liazon on November 29, 2007, 02:23:00 pm

oddly enough, I find that PCs sold at comp stores seem to be cheaper than any equivalent I can make on a <$400 budget. ^^perhaps I'm not skilled at finding the parts.  And like DJ said, XP is still pretty expensive.  That alone cuts my budget down to ~$300.

I was considering getting a good deal on a comp, and loading linux onto it, but I find that most of the time, the warranty gets voided if you do that.

however, my problem is, you can't really build laptops that easily :P

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: rivereye on November 29, 2007, 04:49:00 pm

QuoteBegin-grendel+29 Nov, 2007, 20:32-->

QUOTE (grendel @ 29 Nov, 2007, 20:32)

QuoteBegin-DJ Omnimaga+29 Nov, 2007, 19:07--> QUOTE (DJ Omnimaga @ 29 Nov, 2007, 19:07) I recommend that when an OS is released to wait at least 3 years before switching. Ditto. It's a good idea to at least wait for adequate support, testing and coverage. Vista is kind of in its early stages, and hasn't really recieved any updates.

 there have been plenty of updates for Vista already, so do some research.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2007, 06:41:00 pm

i was not talking about vista itself for updates. i was talking about softwares , like ti connect, starcraft, firefox, opera, etc. Some are alerady compatible but I'm sure there are others who aren't yet

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Zera on November 30, 2007, 12:30:00 am

QuoteBegin-rivereye+29 Nov, 2007, 22:49-->

QUOTE (rivereye @ 29 Nov, 2007, 22:49)

there have been plenty of updates for Vista already

 You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. MS hasn't even released the first service pack yet, which was announced nearly a year ago, and then pushed back to 2008. There's only a release candidate, which is still in testing. So far, there doesn't seem to be any significant improvement, if any. In fact, testers are citing a decrease in performance with the update. Read up on the these issues http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/11/vista-sp1-performance-dud.html.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 30, 2007, 01:01:00 am

true, and as you know all the help and support files that comes with each windows releases, especially recent ones, usually misses everything related to 90% of the errors and malfunctions in windows, and when trying to search for something else you rarely get the right results. But yeah, thats what happen when you make third world country ppl translate/write the help files at miserable wage of $1/hour, don't expect ppl to produce quality stuff if you're not gonna pay them and threat them properly

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: TIfanx1999 on December 02, 2007, 07:28:00 am

I had no problems testing calc gs on vista, it seems to run fine :)

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: lordofthegeeks on December 02, 2007, 08:52:00 am

It crashed once for me. And then I loaded the 64 kbs as a binary tilemap :oops:
also  the time it crashed I loaded a tilemap from a bitmap and it gave me a lovely error mesage

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: TIfanx1999 on December 02, 2007, 08:58:00 am

tested making sprites, animating a sprite, and loading a 256x64 bmp as a tilemap. No problems or errors.

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: Liazon on December 02, 2007, 09:19:00 am

thank you then.

maybe i should learn how to program comp in something other than java and make my own versions. >.>

Title: Emus, CalcGS, IStudio on Vista
Post by: TIfanx1999 on December 02, 2007, 09:27:00 am

I've been thinking about that too, i dont know any computer languages, but it seems to me that calc gs lacks a couple of features . I have another tile program that has a few more features, but it's not specifiacally for TI and is a bit more cumbersome. I cant get it to output tiles as bin data either but i can get it to export a bmp IIRC.