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I've been a user of the ti-83 and have an hw2 Ti-89, then one day I see that Ti releases the Nspire series, later to have the Nspire CX(with color) series.  I liked the community of the old school ti8x series and how it could load apps... however, I hear that you can't do this with the nspire series?

Any how, I'm looking for a new calculator, I'm the type of geek/tinkerer who likes to get my hands on gadgets.  I want CAS functionality, but since I hear you can load CAS on a non-CAS nspire(for the non-cx version at least), is there a reason to pick one over the other?


(again, I don't want to break any forum rules, please have patience or let me know)
What do you recommend for being not only a powerful calculator(with CAS functions), but also with mod-ability/tinkering? 

Last but not least, as a coder/tinkerer/modder(within legal boundaries), which calculator would you pick and why(between nspires:  touchpad, touchpad CAS, CX, CX CAS)?  Is there any real benefit of getting the CX series(I know it's backlit color, I know it has a rechargeable battery, it's slimmer/lighter, and I know it has more memory storage... but all these things I could live without to be honest...unless it has significantly more processing power than a non CX version...also I don't care about the gbc emulator either, lol).


Thanks in advance!


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Heya and welcome here. To load apps on the TI-Nspire you need OS 3.1 (it's possible to downgrade if you got OS 3.2). 3.1 can also run most Lua games. CAS is disallowed at some tests, while allowed at others, if you live in USA. I believe in France you can use it anywhere, though. Of course if you pick the non-CAS we can't help on putting a CAS OS on it since some people use it to cheat, but in both calculator cases you have 64 MB of RAM and a 132 MHz processor that can be set to 220+ MHz (I saw some calcs go up to 250, but mine can only reach 242 or 246).

Both calcs are a pain to program because of how locked down they are, though. On the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition that just came out, you can do anything you want, but it only has 128 KB of total RAM and 3.5 MB of flash. The processor runs at 15 MHz so you need to do like NES/SNES programmers and use programming shortcuts for games. The screen has color too and supports 320x240 and 160x240 resolution (the latter is similar to the Commodore 64 and Atari 2600)

Of course if you absolutely want a CAS and color you're stuck with the TI-Nspire CX (or CAS if you don't want to go through the hassle of installing a CAS OS on a non-CAS model)
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Thanks for the reply Dj Omnimaga.

I guess I won't be looking at the CX series then(I don't care about color).  

The CAS touchpad seems more of a logical choice(if I'm not mistaken, I can do pretty much everything that I can do on the ti-89? Integration? differentials?  imaginary numbers?)  I won't be using it for school as far as I can tell, it's just solely for being a collector/tinkerer(while also being functional).


Only reason I considered the non-CAS touchpad was because it comes with a Ti-84 emulator(doesn't it?), which can probably also run apps?  While also being able to load CAS?(but I just found out from you that it's a pain and not guaranteed, esp in the US.. which is where I am)


I haven't used the Nspires, but from what I understand there downloadable apps(officially from TI) to add functionality(chemistry, physics, more math stuff,etc.)?


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Wait, this is what I was referring to when I mentioned the Ti-84:

http://education.ti.com/en/us/promotions/84_redemption

Does that only work on the non-CAS nspire?  Or does it also work on the CAS nspire as well? 

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I would absolutely recommend getting a CX non-cas. It can run so many more stuff, like the gameboy emulators in full-color :3 It's awesome, especially for "tinkering" like you said. When you want to throw the CAS on it, just ask for help on the forums if you cannot figure it out.
I for one don't recommend getting a 84CSE: from what I've heard it is quite slow.

Hope that helps you choosing!
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Actually the 84+CSE is a bit annoying in the PRGM editor but it's kinda entertaining to code and there are some sort of speed shortcuts you can use while still keeping decent graphics. You better wait until some ASM libs came out, though.

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Also, remember that Axe came out LONG after the 84+ came out. I imagine some on-calc game programming language for the Nspire coming out some day too (I have stuff lying around, main bottleneck is learning how to access the screen in nspire c)
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I imagine some on-calc game programming language for the Nspire coming out some day too (I have stuff lying around, main bottleneck is learning how to access the screen in nspire c)
Well, that'd be Lua with an on-calc editor (even though I don't see the Nspire being a device to program directly on, but rather on the computer. The color, large screen makes it possible to create complex things, especially with a bigger power you can do more stuff with, it's largely easier to make programs on the computer)
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Personally I'd still go for some sort of powerful on-calc editor/compiler on the Nspires. Same for the Prizm. Bonus points for being a largely cross-compatible language.
Even if a person has their own computer it's still a lot more mobile to only need the calc to get things done ;) Just need to take care/backup more :P
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Are you only limited to TI calcs? What about a Casio calc? I really enjoy my 9750gII, the BASIC is powerful and runs at a decent speed, and they can also be programmed in C. They also have an iOS-esque menu (more friendlier than TI's command-line interface), and good filesystem tools.

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Re: Need Help! Which Calculator to get, Nspire touchpad CAS vs NON-CAS... I
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2013, 11:42:14 am »
Are you only limited to TI calcs? What about a Casio calc? I really enjoy my 9750gII, the BASIC is powerful and runs at a decent speed, and they can also be programmed in C. They also have an iOS-esque menu (more friendlier than TI's command-line interface), and good filesystem tools.
What is command-line like in TI's OSes ? ???
On the contrary, I like TI's calc for having a key to go in every menu, while on Casio, you have to guess the first key then press the F# keys like twenty times before getting to the right token.
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Re: Need Help! Which Calculator to get, Nspire touchpad CAS vs NON-CAS... I
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2013, 11:54:38 am »
Are you only limited to TI calcs? What about a Casio calc? I really enjoy my 9750gII, the BASIC is powerful and runs at a decent speed, and they can also be programmed in C. They also have an iOS-esque menu (more friendlier than TI's command-line interface), and good filesystem tools.

Not necessarily limited to TI-calcs, however, in the big picture I do want CAS capabilities.  I've heard plenty of great things about the casio 9750/8560's(and prizms too, in fact I like casio's interfaces, I think they are usually quite efficient, I rock a fx-115es). It's just that you can get nspire touchpad cas's for a lot less now, I thought I might get one.  After hearing that the 84 emulator sucks on the nspire touchpad, I guess I'll cross that off the list. 

I was debating between the nspire: touchpad, touchpad CAS, and maybe a CX(though they cost at least double of the non-CX version, and I wasn't sure if it was worth it for me at least, again I'm aware of their spec advantages, just wasn't sure on the software hackability side). 

I thought the normal touchpad might be favorable at first because of the 84emulator/faceplace + hearing that you could load in the CAS... but as it turns out from hearing from you guys, the 84emulator is half baked, and loading CAS on there is a pain.


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Re: Need Help! Which Calculator to get, Nspire touchpad CAS vs NON-CAS... I
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2013, 12:51:17 pm »
Are you only limited to TI calcs? What about a Casio calc? I really enjoy my 9750gII, the BASIC is powerful and runs at a decent speed, and they can also be programmed in C. They also have an iOS-esque menu (more friendlier than TI's command-line interface), and good filesystem tools.
What is command-line like in TI's OSes ? ???
On the contrary, I like TI's calc for having a key to go in every menu, while on Casio, you have to guess the first key then press the F# keys like twenty times before getting to the right token.
Arrow keys and EXE button make menu navigation a lot easier.

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Re: Need Help! Which Calculator to get, Nspire touchpad CAS vs NON-CAS... I
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 01:01:26 pm »
Are you only limited to TI calcs? What about a Casio calc? I really enjoy my 9750gII, the BASIC is powerful and runs at a decent speed, and they can also be programmed in C. They also have an iOS-esque menu (more friendlier than TI's command-line interface), and good filesystem tools.
What is command-line like in TI's OSes ? ???
On the contrary, I like TI's calc for having a key to go in every menu, while on Casio, you have to guess the first key then press the F# keys like twenty times before getting to the right token.
I agree with you. On my 84+ everything is 1/2 buttons away while I've never figured out Casios, programming them is a freaking PITA too (the editor is unfriendly).
I really recommend that you go for a CX. It has more power than classics (64MB RAM instead of 32 and I think the CPU is faster). That's what I'm gonna do and add in CAS because in France there's no problem to that and it's cheaper.
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Re: Need Help! Which Calculator to get, Nspire touchpad CAS vs NON-CAS... I
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2013, 01:38:10 pm »
I love discussions like this! :D

Are you going for a CX or non CX? Because the CX non-CAS is the most widely used right now. The CAS is amazing for math, though, and plus, I believe that CAS models have slightly better stats (Average CPU max on CX's is about 250Mhz, my CX CAS gets 264Mhz safely :), and 16 Mb more storage space on CAS... )... But as of late, there is debate whether the 15 dollars is worth it. This is because of nLaunch, the tool that can be used to run a CAS operating system on a non-CAS Nspire. My observation, however, is that it is still a sketchy process that many experts on Nspires still have trouble with. Nspires are hard to hack, and it's often not worth it to newbs to hack it for any purpose except gaming. If gaming is what you want, then I'd get a CX CAS for storage space, and the CPU. If math is your game, (puns, my friends!), then you will have to decide: "Is it worth it to try to run a very different OS on a calculator that shouldn't support it at all?" because I have seen no newb-proof tutorials yet about that sort of thing yet...
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