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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2011, 07:04:50 pm »
Ok, I give up :banghead:, can someone please just like, email me a copy? I dont expect any special treatment, but this is just rediculous, when will this go into beta anyway?
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2011, 08:47:50 pm »
Could any of these issues be specific to OS version and if you got 32 or 64 bits? I am curious if Ndless compilers are cross-OS compatible.

As for Ndless 2.0 final version it should take between one week and 3 years to go out of beta, according to the time between Ndless 1.0 and 1.7 final releases. You have to be patient as the creators got something called a life.

Also don't double-post, use the modify button when it has been a short amount of time between posts. Most TI-Nspire users live in different timezones, so it can take a few days before replies sometimes.
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2011, 09:28:42 pm »
merauder, I believe you have to add the root directory of 7zip to your path.

Seconding DJ's comments as an Nspire developer myself, work on projects, especially those as tedious as Ndless, can take a long time to get working.  Ndless 2 is available for download for developers so they can update their projects to be compatible with newer versions and so they can provide good bug reports.  The reason why you have to be able to build Ndless youself is because it is assumed that you are a Nspire Developer if you are able to build it.

At Omninmaga, I, along with many other members, will be perfectly willing to give you help in building Ndless, but, if we were to give one person a copy, everyone would start expecting one for themselves too.  :)
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2011, 09:57:56 pm »
Yeah, sorry, just got a tad frustrated, thats all :-[, yeah, I understand, I can wait for it to come out of beta, also, I did add 7 zip to the path, still no luck, ah well.
I do appreciate all the help I do get here on the forum though. Thanks

EDIT: Oh yeah, I am on a 64 bit system, that might be it, I dunno. Also, I didnt use edit b/c the editing doesnt work well with extremely long posts
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2011, 10:57:06 pm »
Thirded. Ndless is pretty interesting, but it's extremely alpha - you should expect nothing (and only nothing) to work.
SVN repository code is usually very volatile (basically, extremely likely to have broken stuff), and Ndless is no exception. (The only SVN that isn't too bad is TiLP, which sometimes has major fixes not found in the regular releases. However, it's probably volatile right now, since libusb-1.0 support is being added.) Exploit discovery and internal probing is one of the major things that make Ndless what it is, and that takes *quite* a while. Then you got to set up an environment for developers to play in - basically, letting people like apcalc and you make programs for the calc without resorting to extreme hacking. And then you gotta make it stable - crashing every time doesn't sound too good, right? ;)

As you can see, it takes a LOT of work to produce a product. Plus the addition of life, it's not going to be fast. However, the end result is a MUCH stabler end product, and more happy people (and developers)! :D

Granted, if you are a serious developer that is willing to help (and not just toss it onto your Nspire and expect things to work), you're free - in fact, ENCOURAGED to compile and help out! :) Otherwise, compiling and installing it may not be a good idea, since as I've said, the code is volatile, and it's going to crash a LOT, not mentioning a possibility of bricking. (I emphasize this a lot - you will need to buy a new Nspire if it does indeed brick, and it's not cheap.)
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2011, 04:41:56 pm »
Ok, thanks, honestly, I only have a small amount experience in developing, Im actually just getting into programming in a serious way now(I only know a little C++, C#, and Python), I just figured calculators are the best place to start, since, looking at some of the code, I actually sorta grasped some of it (iphone jailbreaking code, ehh, not so much). Im going to start taking classes in C and ARM assembly soon, so this is why I wanted to set up the dev environment (that and the DOOM thing), I probably wont be able to contribute much, since im fairly new to coding.

Also, to me, bircking a calculator isnt a concern, I've un-bricked an iphone, a wii, an xbox 360, im sure an nspire will be no problem if it does.

Well, I hope ill be at least somewhat useful once I figure out this setup.

Oh yes, I do understand that "developers have a life too" concept, believe me, I do
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2011, 05:05:56 pm »
Quote from: merauder75 on February 22, 2011, 03:50:45 pm
Yeah, its added in the Windows system path, it and Yagarto's stuff are added, here my system path:

C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Stream\bin\x86_64;C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Stream\bin\x86;%CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files\TortoiseSVN\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\yagarto\bin;C:\Users\Greg\Documents\ndless2\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\GTK\2.0\bin

I think thats correct.

the path to 7zip is missing...
therefore it fails when it tries to zip ndless
I guess it is; C:\Program Files\7-Zip
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2011, 09:32:06 pm »
No, sorry, I changed it, thats not my current one, here it is:
C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Stream\bin\x86_64;C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Stream\bin\x86;%CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files\TortoiseSVN\bin;C:\Users\Greg\Documents\ndless2\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\GTK\2.0\bin;C:\YAGARTO\bin; C:\7Zip

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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2011, 07:41:10 am »
Make sure the folder contains 7z.exe.
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2011, 08:18:29 am »
As you might have guessed, merauder75, getting things set up under *nix is probably easier than getting them set up under Windows.


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The only SVN that isn't too bad is TiLP, which sometimes has major fixes not found in the regular releases. However, it's probably volatile right now, since libusb-1.0 support is being added.
The experimental libusb 1.0 support has not been committed yet, it's just available under the form of a patch (not complete yet) to be applied on top of SVN HEAD. And anyway, it defaults to disabled, so there's no volatility :)
The libusb 1.0 backend is needed because most Linux distros aren't shipping the full versions of both libusb 0.1 and libusb 1.0 anymore, they're shipping libusb 1.0 + the 0.1 compat layer for 1.0 (which does not work for the purposes of libticables) instead.
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2011, 03:48:18 pm »
Yes, the folder does contain 7x.exe, also, I tried the linux setup( I have a triple boot of 7, XP, and Linux Mint), and it was even worse.
There is zero compatibility with Mint, even though its just ubuntu with a different UI.
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2011, 04:21:26 pm »
Beta binaries are now available to avoid wasting your time.
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2011, 04:25:44 pm »
Yay! :)

Oh, I can do any testing with the touchpad if you want
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2011, 04:28:01 pm »
Quote from: merauder75 on February 25, 2011, 04:25:44 pm
Yay! :)

Oh, I can do any testing with the touchpad if you want

I likewise can do touchpad testing too. :)
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Re: Request: Post a pre compiled dev version of Ndless 2.0
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2011, 04:32:00 pm »
I currently need more development workforce than testing. How about implementing the Touchpad keypad protocol from Goplat's spec? :)
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