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Calculator Community => TI Calculators => General Calculator Help => Topic started by: Michael_Lee on November 15, 2010, 08:48:59 pm
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Mkay, I decided that I wanted to upgrade the functionality of my calc, so I added a bunch of apps.
Because some of these apps mess with the calculator, I want to make sure that I'm not accidentally about to kill my calc or conflict with each other.
I have a TI-84+SE with OS 2.53
and the apps I'm worried about are
Calcsys
CtlgHelp
DoorsCS7 (the latest one)
Graph3
Krolypto
MirageOS
Omnicalc
Symbolic
Unit Ops
zStart
Erm... these aren't going to kill my calc, are they, or ruin compatibility? That would suck pretty badly.
That being said, any other interesting apps/programs I should have on my calc?
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I look at that and see a lot of hooks. >.>
Chances are you'll only be able to use a couple at a time because of conflicts.
(This doesn't mean crashes, just that the others get disabled if you start another one.)
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I think omnicalc's entries menu really screws up sometimes.
Also, you use both DCS and mirage?
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Oh, yeah, I didn't notice that.
Omnicalc with 2.53 MP is rather crashy :(
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Mirage and DCS can interfere with eachother if you keep programs hidden. Basically, Mirage will display all your games with a weird token as the first letter and then sometimes some programs will be visible and one shell or another says that they're hidden and viceversa.
Symbolic only works when classic mode is enabled.
IIRC Omnicalc has major issues with 2.53MP (did BrandonW make a patch for this, I forget) For example, pressing clear while entering a mathprint expression clears the RAM. The fast-commands VARS menu also does not work and as Darl said, I think the entries menu doesn't work either
I think calcsys is fine
Be careful of krolytpo, it is too easy to lock yourself out of your calc :(
Graph3's hooks get disabled all the time (or maybe just because my RAM clears all the time), you'll have to reinstall everytime you want to use it
Also, Cabamap is an awesome app; lots of math stuff you can't use with the OS (calculate 100! !)
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They will conflict, but usually you don't have to worry about killing your calc.
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Also, you use both DCS and mirage?
Oh yeah, good point. I think I kept mirage because I could secure my memory screen. This was before my urge to install a bunch of apps today.
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well, the only thing is, I thought only Omnicalc did the memory screen protection O_o
Guess I am wrong...
BTW, what are you using Omnicalc for any ways?
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Omnicalc's restore mem feature is pretty nice (although i think it doesn't work in 2.53 either) :P I personally also like to use it to play some music (not as much since I found mobiletunes though)
I have omnicalc on my 2.53 calc, and I never use it. I'm not even sure why i still have it, but I don't want to delete it :P
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I think omnicalc's entries menu really screws up sometimes.
Also, you use both DCS and mirage?
Mirage has special interrupts for programs. Plus, it has a minimalistic GUI, which makes for quick testing. At least that's my opinion.
Other special stuffs... (I just looked in the apps section in ticalc for a couple minutes)
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/366/36658.html (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/366/36658.html)
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/385/38560.html (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/385/38560.html)
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1967.0;attach=3621 (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1967.0;attach=3621) (Updated as Raylin updates his book... but still up to Chapter 10 of an excellent book)
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well, the only thing is, I thought only Omnicalc did the memory screen protection O_o
Guess I am wrong...
Krolypto can protect the programs menu, the apps menu, startup, and memory menu.
Omnicalc's protection disables the delete key and reset option.
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Mirage has special interrupts for programs. Plus, it has a minimalistic GUI, which makes for quick testing. At least that's my opinion.
^THIS, i completely love the minimalistic gui of MirageOS, it suits my every need ^^
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Mirage has special interrupts for programs. Plus, it has a minimalistic GUI, which makes for quick testing. At least that's my opinion.
^THIS, i completely love the minimalistic gui of MirageOS, it suits my every need ^^
Yeah, sometimes I wish there were some sort of hook (kind of like how calcutil works) so you could use the ON interrupts mirage has in a program run from the homescreen.
If DCS were only one app slot, I'd probably be using that though :P
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Oh.
Hmm, funny thing: Krolypto crashed my RAM the first time I tried it, but it worked fine afterwords...
Question: What does calcsys even do, and what can I do with it?
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Calcsys gives you access to the VAT and an on-calc disassembler. It's very useful if you do ASM programming.
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IIRC Omnicalc has major issues with 2.53MP (did BrandonW make a patch for this, I forget)
DrDnarOmnicalc's restore mem feature is pretty nice (although i think it doesn't work in 2.53 either) :P
It doesn't work on 84+ calcs that got missing extra RAM pages either, I think. It will not work on the regular 83+ at all either.
Also I remember once that CtlgHelp got disabled for some reasons after I installed Omnicalc, I think, or maybe it was MirageOs.
Also for non-english users, language apps may conflict with other hook-based apps such as Omnicalc.
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Mkay, I decided that I wanted to upgrade the functionality of my calc, so I added a bunch of apps.
Because some of these apps mess with the calculator, I want to make sure that I'm not accidentally about to kill my calc or conflict with each other.
I have a TI-84+SE with OS 2.53
and the apps I'm worried about are
Calcsys
CtlgHelp
DoorsCS7 (the latest one)
Graph3
Krolypto
MirageOS
Omnicalc
Symbolic
Unit Ops
zStart
Erm... these aren't going to kill my calc, are they, or ruin compatibility? That would suck pretty badly.
That being said, any other interesting apps/programs I should have on my calc?
Great, are you at school? Do you have maths, I mean?
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Yep. I've been looking for something like a CAS or symbolic manipulation, or whatever it's called, and Symbolic/Unit Ops seems to be the closest I can get to.
Question: is there anything that can simulate the quick apps feature on Omnicalc, but isn't Omnicalc?
Edit: I think I remember somebody saying that running zStart will invalidate my OS, so I have to disable it before trying to transfer my OS to other calcs. Do any other apps/programs do this?
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Yep. I've been looking for something like a CAS or symbolic manipulation, or whatever it's called, and Symbolic/Unit Ops seems to be the closest I can get to.
Question: is there anything that can simulate the quick apps feature on Omnicalc, but isn't Omnicalc?
Alberthrock is working on a CAS system for TI-8x, but it said 1% done the last time I checked hahaha
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Yep. I've been looking for something like a CAS or symbolic manipulation, or whatever it's called, and Symbolic/Unit Ops seems to be the closest I can get to.
There was one called AutoCalc I think...
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Edit: I think I remember somebody saying that running zStart will invalidate my OS, so I have to disable it before trying to transfer my OS to other calcs. Do any other apps/programs do this?
Krolypto might, but I don't believe that any of the others do. :)
Be careful if you're using Group Tool - I've lost all the contents of my groups before by using it. D=
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Yep. I've been looking for something like a CAS or symbolic manipulation, or whatever it's called, and Symbolic/Unit Ops seems to be the closest I can get to.
Question: is there anything that can simulate the quick apps feature on Omnicalc, but isn't Omnicalc?
Edit: I think I remember somebody saying that running zStart will invalidate my OS, so I have to disable it before trying to transfer my OS to other calcs. Do any other apps/programs do this?
Cabamap == Awesome CAS-like thing ;)
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Cabamap is a big-integer calculator, not a CAS ;)
The other programs that will invalidate your OS are patches, like the one to remove PTT, for example.
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yeah, but according to DetachedS, it's a "CAS-Like thing" ;)
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Where does it say that?
Cabamap is all about huge numbers, integers to be precise. This flash app provides an environment in which math operations can be performed on arbitrary-length integers. All of the basic math functions plus some additional ones are included, and the only limit is the amount of available RAM (approximately 24000 digits). Cabamap can also perform a prime number test on most numbers, and the entire app uses Reverse Polish Notation (RPN) as its interface. The source code is included and released under the GPL license.
Cabamap is a flash application for the 83+/SE that performs arbitrary-precision integer calculations. Simply stated, it can do things like calculate the exact value of 2000! or 2^1024. It uses RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) as the user interface, and is intended as a complete system for long integer calculations. The only limit is available memory (roughly 24000 digits).
I don't see "CAS" at all ??? (The first quote is from http://detachedsolutions.com/features/ (http://detachedsolutions.com/features/), the second from http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/323/32326.html (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/323/32326.html))
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That Omnicalc RAM restore, does it just stick a backup in archive? That seems like it would work well enough, but I really don't see the point. The OS can do that by itself with the group function.
There was something similar for the 86 (much more useful, since the 86 had no Flash ROM) and it used the extra RAM that pterodactyl gives to the OS. Phoenix also used it to save XD If you'd played phoenix since enabling the program, your stuff was corrupted, and a restore would cause your calc to crash again. :P
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Omnicalc RAM Restore backs up the RAM pages the OS uses to pages it does not use. It does not touch flash ;)
Sadly, this means the calcs with only 48KiB RAM can't use RAM Restore :(
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AutoCalc combined with prettyprint, Symbolic and MathPrint should make a CAS. I don't know if AutoCalc is in english, though. Also it can be slow sometimes, because it's written in TI-BASIC.