Why must something cause God to do something? He doesn't live in this world. He must not bend to it's limits which he put there.
He also made our brain, and how we think. God doesn't want to be so clear(I am who I am).

@ElementCoder, it may SOUND contradictory, but it isn't really(see this post: http://ourl.ca/18961/348822)

Why the Christian God? Because the Bible is infallible. This may seem like quite a statement, but if you investigate and get the true untranslated scripts, it really is.

As the mystery of God himself, Heaven is one too. The God who created happiness can change anything so you WILL be happy forever.
Also Adam and Eve first lived in a Paradise, where there was nothing bad. It didn't seem like they were bored or disappointed really. However, "someone" deceived them...

@MethSoft: I'm pretty sure I can find overwhelming(which I actually have found) evidence against it. I do not deny that there is micro-evolution. But a new species? No, I don't believe it.

Science can be mistaken, and has already been.
I am not a catholic, and it doesn't make that if someone important in a certain religion says evolution is acceptable that all will believe it.

Also as far as I know nobody has ever seen evolution take place.

Also, if there is a God, then there is proof that he is a Christian God. He has to be omnipotent, He has to be all-merciful, and He has to be all-Good. Nothing good can come from an evil creator.

Why can't anything good come from an evil creator? Didn't God create everything, so evil as well? And if evil can come from a good creator, why won't an evil creator be able to create something good?
EDIT: don't understand this statement wrong. I'm not trying to prove that God is evil. I'm just asking a question.

Also as far as I know nobody has ever seen evolution take place.

And as far as I know, nobody has ever seen God create a species. But nobody having seen it take place doesn't nessicarely mean it didn't happen.

Quote from: Stefan Bauwens on May 22, 2013, 02:53:12 pm

Why must something cause God to do something? He doesn't live in this world. He must not bend to it's limits which he put there.
He also made our brain, and how we think. God doesn't want to be so clear(I am who I am).

Because if there was no reason for god to create the universe then the universe as we know it and everything in it has no purpose and simply exists for the sake of existing.

I believe God created us so we could give Him praise and show His glory. By making us He shows how great He is. He is the definition of good.

Ben_G, evil? Everything I read a bout God is that He is just, good, loving. And with this love belongs choice. Choice that means evil too.
Evil is only there because people choose for THEMSELVES instead of choosing for God.

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Now, this is not the case if God exists in a Universe outside ours with a different ruleset. But when we are looking at different Universes, there are infinite Gods to be had anyways. If it is the case that God exists outside our Universe, we can still say that within ours, He doesn't exist, though actions of his might. They would still be subject to the rules of this Universe, however.

Jesus.

Quote from: Scipi on May 22, 2013, 03:15:15 pm

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Now, this is not the case if God exists in a Universe outside ours with a different ruleset. But when we are looking at different Universes, there are infinite Gods to be had anyways. If it is the case that God exists outside our Universe, we can still say that within ours, He doesn't exist, though actions of his might. They would still be subject to the rules of this Universe, however.

Jesus.

He could have very well been a kind of avatar for God. I have my own opinions and knowledge about him that I will not be sharing here, but consider the possibility of him not being who he says he is, but instead a higher being. To the Humans of the time, he would appear to them as a God or the Son of God.

Though that is, of course, my own opinion on it and it stems from a source that I do not feel comfortable sharing. Nonetheless, that is my answer.

Also as far as I know nobody has ever seen evolution take place.

The standard response to this is that we've also never seen Pluto make a full revolution around the sun.

Ok, this is pretty ridiculous statement imo. Just because something isn't a religion doesn't mean you can't believe in it.

Ok, it's a problem of vacabulary then, since english isn't my first language.

I can just as easily say that religion is ridiculous because there is no evidence for (the need of) a deity. For this point, I take my stand with what ben_g posted earlier in the thread.

I remind that the goal of the topic is to share our opinions without criticise other people ones. For you it could be ridiculous to believe in a God that "wouldn't be necessary", but for some other people, it could be ridiculous not to believe in a religion because then the life would not have sense and humans wouldn't be superior than mineral.

Yet you still claim that God didn't have an origin and just was there all the time. That sounds a bit contradictionary.

What is contradictionary? "All the time" is a way to say it because there's no time for God.

Don't you think that's a little false argumentation?

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@mdr1: The point I was trying to make was that you said everything must have an origin. I was wondering with you making that statement how you could choose to exclude god in that.

Sorry. Everything having a beginning must have an origin.

If you think about it, It's possible that the conditions required for the big bang and the forces behind the big bang always existed. When the universe was created, something caused those conditions to occur.

Those conditions required for the big-bang are an origin.

Just as in Christian faith, something had to cause god to create the universe.

Nope, God isn't in time. He invented it. So he didn't create universe "at a certain time".

And what if there is no paradise ? Even more problems disappear

If there was no paradise? Didn't you understand that we were talking about how it would be if it existed?

And as merthsoft said, ok, there might be a God or more, there might be a paradise or more, but heck, we are just at the "there might be" point, where those "there might be" are described by existing religions and "there might be" other possibilities that we haven't taken in account yet, and maybe the truth is among them.

There is no "there might be" here, this proposition takes place on the philosophy debate. Do you think it is only a "there might be" when you think about Jesus, about what apostles did, about marvelous lands on Earth, about the fact you are you and not only material?

I believe God created us so we could give Him praise and show His glory. By making us He shows how great He is.

I don't agree. On the creation on the bible, we can read "Et Dieu vit que cela était bon", not "Et Dieu vit qu'il était bon". Christians' God isn't an egoistic or a proud one.

@Scipi: of course no time means no change. And what the problem?

The standard response to this is that we've also never seen Pluto make a full revolution around the sun.

I agree. So let's apply this to God? :p

PS : evolution is a scientific theory, though that doesn't explain everything at the time. But it isn't contrary to or in favour of religions, so why talk about it?

Well, God didn't create the world in 7 days so its quite possible. God is not bound by time, so 10 billion years to us could seem like 1 day to God. Of course we will never know or be able to understand this.
When it comes to souls, perhaps we are flashed like EEPROM chips??? We will never know, if someone has died and asked him, they haven't come back yet.