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Offline Stefan Bauwens

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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #195 on: October 09, 2013, 03:38:27 am »
Well, I do believe in the underworld where all the dead people go and wait till judgement day.
But Hell is also described as the second death, which makes the idea even more plausible.
Here is a very interesting article: https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/hell-sheol-hades-paradise-and-the-grave/
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #196 on: October 09, 2013, 05:57:47 am »
Quote from: willrandship on October 09, 2013, 03:22:47 am
Hell isn't really a popular term in mormon sects. The general term used is Outer Darkness, described as being filled with weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth (from the other inhabitants of said place). This place is reserved for those who knowingly reject the atonement, e.g. participation is 100% voluntary.
I don't know much about the mormonism but i think this is also the catholic image of hell.
Nobody has to go to hell because god want's to save everyone, but humans are created as free individuals.
So everybody can refuse God's love and can live without him in eternity.
This place without God and love is called the hell.
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #197 on: October 10, 2013, 03:06:29 pm »
Quote from: bored_student on October 09, 2013, 05:57:47 am
Quote from: willrandship on October 09, 2013, 03:22:47 am
Hell isn't really a popular term in mormon sects. The general term used is Outer Darkness, described as being filled with weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth (from the other inhabitants of said place). This place is reserved for those who knowingly reject the atonement, e.g. participation is 100% voluntary.
I don't know much about the mormonism but i think this is also the catholic image of hell.
Nobody has to go to hell because god want's to save everyone, but humans are created as free individuals.
So everybody can refuse God's love and can live without him in eternity.
This place without God and love is called the hell.
The majority of people will go to Hell, based on the Bible:

Matthew 7:13-14
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Another contradiction...
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #198 on: October 10, 2013, 10:24:04 pm »
Quote from: Stefan Bauwens on October 10, 2013, 03:06:29 pm
The majority of people will go to Hell, based on the Bible

Aren't we already in Hell? ??? (seeing in which state some parts of our world is)
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #199 on: October 11, 2013, 05:58:07 am »
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 10, 2013, 10:24:04 pm
Quote from: Stefan Bauwens on October 10, 2013, 03:06:29 pm
The majority of people will go to Hell, based on the Bible

Aren't we already in Hell? ??? (seeing in which state some parts of our world is)
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Sadly, it can get worse. A lot worse...
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #200 on: October 11, 2013, 05:40:35 pm »
Stefan, in Mormonism Eternal Life refers specifically to Godhood, ie the Celestial kingdom. This is why so many scriptures say "Immortality and Eternal Life" since they are not considered the same. The path to Eternal Life is quite small, and many won't make it, but those people won't necessarily go to hell.
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #201 on: October 12, 2013, 01:42:08 pm »
Quote from: willrandship on October 11, 2013, 05:40:35 pm
Stefan, in Mormonism Eternal Life refers specifically to Godhood, ie the Celestial kingdom. This is why so many scriptures say "Immortality and Eternal Life" since they are not considered the same. The path to Eternal Life is quite small, and many won't make it, but those people won't necessarily go to hell.
So, basically you say that Bible verse means that the narrow path goes to Eternal Life and part of the broad path(or even most?) receive immorality, while it says that it only leads to destruction...
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #202 on: October 12, 2013, 01:46:24 pm »
Quote from: Stefan Bauwens on October 10, 2013, 03:06:29 pm
The majority of people will go to Hell, based on the Bible:

Matthew 7:13-14
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

The Bible also says that God wants to save everyone (2 Peter 3:9)
Why should God let himself nail on the cross, when not to save all humans.
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #203 on: October 12, 2013, 01:59:31 pm »
God indeed wants all to be saved and so He does all He can, but He will not choose for you.
It's comparable of God throwing ropes out to everyone so they can climb up to Heaven. But you still have to hold on and climb.
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Re: Religion Discussion
« Reply #204 on: October 12, 2013, 02:26:38 pm »
That's exactly what I meant with "refuse God's love"
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