Author Topic: Why Camper's mistake should not alter one's view of religion (Read 10736 times)

Hot_Dog · « **Reply #30 on:** May 23, 2011, 01:32:05 pm »

Quote from: juju2143 on May 23, 2011, 01:27:56 pm

Yeah, from what I heard, apparently he subtracted something instead of adding it, I wonder what he'll say this time.

He's supposed to make a speech tonight. But he was pretty flabbergasted and humiliated

Broseph Radson · « **Reply #31 on:** May 23, 2011, 01:33:50 pm »

I still love you Sir

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2011, 01:41:44 pm »

Same here but he gotta be careful because he already got banned 1 week a while ago once, and usually the next ban afterward the forum account is deleted too (Not to mention normally a 1 week ban gets you demoted if you were staff, which hasn't happened to Sir). He needs to be more careful about what he says here because if it got too far bad things could happen. After all I think it's obvious that saying things like on the previous page could potentially start a fight.

Broseph Radson · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2011, 01:47:49 pm »

I completely agree but i also understand that hes having difficulties with his parents which im sure piss him off, and i can relate. My parents are extremely restrictive of my access to electronics and i get grounded if i confront them about it. I tend to be blunt and offensive about things too sometimes.

TsukasaZX · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2011, 01:48:31 pm »

Foremost, a short retort to Sircmpwn:

Religion is a necessary aspect of life. For some people, life can be overwhelming with feelings of helplessness, despair, and meaninglessness. "Why do we bother living if we're just going to die? Why be good if everybody else is bad? What can I ever do to fix things as I am only one person?" Things such as these can easily plague the minds of a person without a strong conviction. The concept of God exists to ease these troubled minds. By giving a sense of overarching justice, a spirit that answers your prayers, and a paradise of eternity for those who truly did good in their lives, many humans are now able to motivate themselves to exist and to be upstanding citizens.

Unfortunately, as with anything, over time religion itself has become corrupted. Original meaning is diluted, words are twisted, and radical individuals are born who will come to reinterpret simple metaphors and morals into sick and wrong variants. Some even become so complacent in their religion that everything backfires and they become either lazy or misguided.

So, really, the point I'm trying to make is that religion is a necessary component for people because they're only human. While some people can thrive without a concept of God, not everyone can. So, in my opinion, it's not right to knock religion or attempt to disprove it because in doing so, you would render so many people's lives meaningless. Similarly, Theists shouldn't knock Atheism or attempt to prove God because Atheists don't need God to exist. Whether or not God actually exists is irrelevant. All that matters is the mindset of the individual. It's one thing to share our thoughts, it's another entirely to cram our beliefs down others' throats and attempt to convert them or disparage them.

Theists and Atheists are entirely different species, metaphorically speaking. Perhaps neither will understand the other. So, it's best if we just learn to accept people for how they think so long as they aren't hurting people as part of their ways. It's never right to allow someone to hurt others. But, outside of the scope of violent radicalism, I think my dogmas have some validity to them.

Anyway, moving on, I don't believe the Rapture will ever occur. In my own belief, Genesis wasn't about paradise, it was about choice. Would Humanity remain in Eden and complacently allow God to directly interfere and define them, making them a static and non-developing race; or would Humanity leave Eden and fend for themselves, allowing themselves the ability to grow and evolve while simultaneously risking their own existence? Humanity chose the latter. While God still watches over us and still helps us indirectly (or perhaps directly in certain exclusive circumstances as well), our decision means God won't directly interfere in an extreme manner, aka no Rapture or End of World.

To put it in metaphor, the relationship between us and God as it stands now is akin to the relationship between a parent and post-adolescent child. While the parent still helps out occasionally, the child is free to live on his/her own and make his/her own decisions.

Ashbad · « **Reply #35 on:** May 23, 2011, 02:46:52 pm »

Quote from: SirCmpwn on May 23, 2011, 12:34:24 pm

I don't need the rapture failure to disprove Christianity. It's just absurd as it is, IMO. I mean no offense to religious people, but it just blows my mind that so many people accept this crap as the highest form of truth there is.

We have a religions thread for that, I set it up here. Feel free to express your offensive ideals there.

And on a side not, very well said Tsukasa, I agree with all of what you said, from both a theist and neutral standpoint.

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #36 on:** May 23, 2011, 03:25:18 pm »

Quote from: Broseph Radson on May 23, 2011, 01:47:49 pm

I completely agree but i also understand that hes having difficulties with his parents which im sure piss him off, and i can relate. My parents are extremely restrictive of my access to electronics and i get grounded if i confront them about it. I tend to be blunt and offensive about things too sometimes.

Yeah true. I just have to remind him to be careful. The reason why he doesn't get banned is because I am confident he is not doing it purposely to attack people views. The problem is just if it went too far or if he stopped being careful, then it wouldn't be good either for the forums as other people would see Omni as encouraging offensive comments.

Quote from: Ashbad on May 23, 2011, 02:46:52 pm

Quote from: SirCmpwn on May 23, 2011, 12:34:24 pm
I don't need the rapture failure to disprove Christianity. It's just absurd as it is, IMO. I mean no offense to religious people, but it just blows my mind that so many people accept this crap as the highest form of truth there is.

We have a religions thread for that, I set it up here. Feel free to express your offensive ideals there.

And on a side not, very well said Tsukasa, I agree with all of what you said, from both a theist and neutral standpoint.

No, let's not be offensive there either. Notice how every previous religion topic that went out of hand got locked.

Quote from: TsukasaZX on May 23, 2011, 01:48:31 pm

<link to long post: http://ourl.ca/11159/211871 >

Actually, there are people who are atheist, but they will still have some similar views as some catholic people. I do not believe you have to believe in a god to live, but in the end, you have to believe in something, even if just a goal you have in life, so you don't question yourself about the purpose of your life.

yunhua98 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 23, 2011, 03:37:35 pm »

even though I'm Christian, this:

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I do not believe you have to believe in a god to live, but in the end, you have to believe in something, even if just a goal you have in life, so you don't question yourself about the purpose of your life.

yrinfish · « **Reply #38 on:** May 23, 2011, 04:05:15 pm »

I just have to say: I'm happy with people who try to stand in the middle here and try to keep things peaceful, atheist or theist (is it called like that?), if you're nt flaming but say that everyone should be respectful to the others, then I really respect you.

(bwaagh I'm bad at compliments... that is really not nice.)

BrownyTCat · « **Reply #39 on:** May 23, 2011, 05:31:59 pm »

I was afraid this would happen.

TIfanx1999 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 23, 2011, 08:47:00 pm »

I would call the statements Camper made many different things, but I wouldn't refer to them as a mistake. Quite honestly I don't think any reasonable person (atheist, christian, muslim, hindu, or otherwise) would allow the beliefs of this group to affect their opinion of christianity as a whole.

qazz42 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 23, 2011, 08:54:25 pm »

well, I am atheist, so opinion did not change nor intensify. It was just funny seeing people act so ridiculous over camper and his prediction, he WAS wrong before.. hehe

(idk if this makes me a bad person or something, but it was just too funny)

ruler501 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 23, 2011, 10:10:23 pm »

It was rather funny watching people get so excited over it.

That was wonderfully said Tsukasa. I admire you for being able to say things like that

calcdude84se · « **Reply #43 on:** May 23, 2011, 10:55:29 pm »

Someone probably already said this, but Camper is just one man. He doesn't represent his denomination/sect, Christianity, or religion as a whole, and as such, his failures are his, not of religion at large. Sure, he made a(nother) bogus prediction, and if you want to kick metaphorical puppies, go ahead. Otherwise, realize that not all things that can be categorized with him are as he seems to represent them, so don't make such a big deal about it. Just because he's wrong doesn't mean religion is. (And I shouldn't have to say this, but that doesn't mean religion is right either. Religion, complicated topic that it is, can be rather difficult to discuss.)
For good measure, I do (as far as I can tell) agree with TsukasaZX's post.

uberspire · « **Reply #44 on:** May 23, 2011, 10:56:00 pm »

Quote from: SirCmpwn on May 23, 2011, 12:34:24 pm

I don't need the rapture failure to disprove Christianity. It's just absurd as it is, IMO. I mean no offense to religious people, but it just blows my mind that so many people accept this crap as the highest form of truth there is.

If I may add in a word, insanity is not dependent on religion. Usually, people are crazy first, then they try to use religion to back up their insanity. In other words, religion does not make you insane. For example, a couple of years ago a group of the most stupidest atheists thought aliens were hiding behind a comet planning to destroy Earth. So they created their own UFO religion called Heaven's Gate to justify their insanity. To escape being being killed by aliens, they decided to all commit suicide.

Religion is often used as a scapegoat, because it's almost impossible to disprove many of what it claims because of our lack of ability to perceive anything beyond the Universe. There is no mathematical proof that denies or proves the existence of God (well, unless you use apply Gödel's incompleteness theorem on the Universe by using mathematical induction, in which case it suggests that the Universe is running within a Turing complete computer with perhaps God as the programmer? But then again, that's assuming that the Universe is a complete consistent system governed by rules that extend Peano arithmetic) However, religion is not the only scapegoat. Any man can use anything to justify ones insanity, "I'm out of money, I guess I have to rob someone" or "Oh, we're running out of oil, let's invade another country" or "Capitalism sucks, let's nuke them". Hopefully, this does convince you that you don't need religion to be insane.

Also, statistically, most Christians did not believe that judgement day was going to happen on May 21. Should the minority speak for the whole? If so, then if one atheist said aliens were going to destroy the world tomorrow, are all atheists insane (by logical induction)?

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But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32

On a lighter note, taking the Bible literally to the ultra extreme discrete mathematical logic hardcore, if one were to predict the world would end tomorrow before going to bed at night, you would be preventing Judgement Day from happening, because if it were to end tomorrow then the prediction would become a true statement and thus make the Bible false by contraposition. I've been doing this every single day for the past 3 years. You're welcome.

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