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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2011, 05:45:26 pm »
Quote from: squidgetx on September 19, 2011, 05:25:07 pm
higher level languages (What, you can have as many variables as you want and any name that you want? Blashpemy!)
I know - It's too easy, isn't it?
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2011, 05:46:17 pm »
yeah, I experienced that when I started python
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2011, 05:52:13 pm »
Quote from: ztrumpet on September 19, 2011, 05:45:26 pm
Quote from: squidgetx on September 19, 2011, 05:25:07 pm
higher level languages (What, you can have as many variables as you want and any name that you want? Blashpemy!)
I know - It's too easy, isn't it?
And auto garbage collection or multi-threading? Who needs that?
Besides, we all know Goto is an essential command. :P
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2011, 05:55:52 pm »
The comments on the source page are great:

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I agree with the poster who said to look into other programming languages.

Try PERL---it is scary how easy it is for smart kids to pick it up!

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It is versatile enough to do all manner of simple "Hello, World" apps, but it is powerful enough to allow the programmer to control other applications in extremely useful ways. In addition, AppleScript Studio allows the programmer to use AppleScript to write applications with modern GUIs.

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Lets face it, BASIC is dead. And it should be, because it is too limited to do anything useful in todays computing environments.

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As another poster mentioned. If you have a mac you have a excellent set of tools for kids to learn with. Not quite Basic. But close enough.

sed

awk (a whole language in itself)

grep

bash

xargs

less

vi (!)

emacs (!)

Looks like there are a few people who missed the point... ::)
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2011, 05:57:41 pm »
Yeah, I was totally lost when I realized that python didn't have a goto command. I even searched to find the equivelant. I obviously got nothing. Then I asked a friend and he's like; "Goto? what's that! We use loops! Are you from 1991 or what?"
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2011, 05:58:39 pm »
maybe we should make a program with bunch of "GOTO"s to prove that goto is not obsolete :P
Speed? Optimization? What is that? XP
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 05:59:02 pm by yeongJIN_COOL »
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2011, 05:59:22 pm »
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maybe we should make a program with bunch of "GOTO"s to prove that goto is not obsolete

You mean like any program written in Assembly? :P
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 05:59:50 pm by Qwerty.55 »
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2011, 06:00:02 pm »
Quote from: yeongJIN_COOL on September 19, 2011, 05:58:39 pm
maybe we should make a program with bunch of "GOTO"s to prove that goto is not obsolete :P
Speed? Optimization? What is that? XP

Just write it in assembly XD There is ONLY a goto command :P

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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2011, 06:03:14 pm »
I didn't even use loops when I started programming; my loops were:
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Lbl 1
1+A -> A
If A < 10
Goto 1
Lbl B
getkey -> G
Goto B
I was living in a utopia where pesky while loops didn't exist. (what are they for, anyway. Probably for some newb who doesn't know about goto). Now I realize that I was the newb. :P
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2011, 06:11:20 pm »
Quote from: Qwerty.55 on September 19, 2011, 05:55:52 pm
The comments on the source page are great:

/snip

Looks like there are a few people who missed the point... ::)
I also love how a lot of people commenting seemed to think that HTML was a programming language, not a scripting language, and that it actually taught you something about programming, besides the fact it involves typing certain phrases and keywords to perform a task.
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2011, 06:14:23 pm »
Quote from: FinaleTI on September 19, 2011, 06:11:20 pm
Quote from: Qwerty.55 on September 19, 2011, 05:55:52 pm
The comments on the source page are great:

/snip

Looks like there are a few people who missed the point... ::)
I also love how a lot of people commenting seemed to think that HTML was a programming language, not a scripting language, and that it actually taught you something about programming, besides the fact it involves typing certain phrases and keywords to perform a task.

Yeah, that was funny. I mean, what programming does HTML teach? You don't even have to worry about capital and non-capital letters (unless your using XHTML).
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2011, 07:44:24 pm »
Also, there are things that can only be done with a goto, like starting a program over.
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2011, 07:54:14 pm »
Quote from: Freyaday on September 19, 2011, 07:44:24 pm
Also, there are things that can only be done with a goto, like starting a program over.
Depends on how it's structured. If you make the whole thing out of nested loops the right way, you can jump back to the being without a goto. A great example of this is tifreak's Sprite-2-Hex program. The whole thing is constructed out of nested While loops. When a menu item is selected, it runs a specific While var=value loop with that routine, then sets or resets the var as necessary to jump to the beginning, another routine or quit.
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2011, 07:56:24 pm »
Quote from: FinaleTI on September 19, 2011, 07:54:14 pm
Quote from: Freyaday on September 19, 2011, 07:44:24 pm
Also, there are things that can only be done with a goto, like starting a program over.
Depends on how it's structured. If you make the whole thing out of nested loops the right way, you can jump back to the being without a goto. A great example of this is tifreak's Sprite-2-Hex program. The whole thing is constructed out of nested While loops. When a menu item is selected, it runs a specific While var=value loop with that routine, then sets or resets the var as necessary to jump to the beginning, another routine or quit.
Oh. But doing so adds another check to the loops, making them slower. Also, Slightly Insane Code Flow. :P
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Re: Why Johnny Can't Code
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2011, 07:59:50 pm »
We should make a commitment to ourselves, to get 1 person involved in TI-BASIC or some other form of programming, every month. If we can get them to like it enough, we commit them to the same thing, so the system expands exponentially.
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