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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2010, 04:30:25 pm »
Awesome!  Congrats!  Have fun! :)

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2010, 02:20:25 pm »
Epic bump:

So I was curious because people said Crysis is very ressource intensive and decided to give the demo a try on my computer. Let's say it is REALLY ressource-intensive XD. At 1920x1080 with everything maxed out (including anti-aliasing set at maximum), I got about 4 FPS. With anti-aliasing turned OFF, I got about 12-13 FPS. TO have like 20-23 FPS I had to reduce pixel shader quality to medium and remove post processing (what makes the image blur when turning around very fast). Then it gets quite enjoyable. But yeah let's say that game seems rather intensive on graphical card and other system requirements x.x

Starcraft 2 gives me about 15-20 FPS with every setting maxed out, 30-40 ish at 1366x768 or 1280x720 resolution.

One funny thing is how I get higher framerate in Unreal Tournament 2004 than the GOTY one (1999) :P (I get about 90 in UT2K4 and 70 in UTGOTY)
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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2010, 02:51:54 pm »
Desktops, as in the big, bulky ones that have anything from a micro-tower and up, aren't very efficient. I don't just mean their size, but also in terms of power-usage. An average gaming desktop generally runs on a 1000 W PSU. (and this is often because the graphics processing unit demands it) There is this misconception that anytime you buy a new computer, you need to buy the absolute best components, fastest processor, most memory, etc. If you aren't actually putting this power to use, you're throwing money down the drain. What do you think you're monthly utilities bill is going to look like when you're running a 1000 W beast 24/7? This is where green computing comes in. We're getting to a point where the whole "green" lifestyle is becoming more and more popular. Computing is no exception. Newer computers are gradually decreasing their power requirements, either because hardware itself is trying to take a more power-efficient approach, or by substantially reducing the system's capabilities.

If you build a system that both fits your needs and uses power-efficient hardware, then you're getting the best deal out of it. If you're buying expensive, powerful hardware in anticipation of not having to upgrade later, you're just wasting your money. By the time significant improvements are made to memory and processing maximums, there will be some new architecture to accompany this technology, and you will likely have to rebuild your computer from the ground-up anyway. (or in the least, replace your motherboard)

Right now, I'm running 512 MB RAM and a 1.6 GHz single-core CPU. My PSU is only 200 W. I haven't upgraded because I haven't needed to thus far.

This probably seems like a long digression, but the point is: Consider what your needs are, in terms of hardware and performance. Desktops offer the flexibility of upgrading and having interchangeable components. You're also getting the most power with a desktop. Laptops are mostly good for travel / portability, but aren't as robust when it comes to gaming. Netbooks are great for ultra-portability, but are likely to only play much older games, or the few newer games that have fairly low-end requirements. They also lack any CD / DVD mediums.

Also consider how much power you need. If you're not going to be playing games like Crysis, then you don't need to worry about getting the latest and most powerful graphics cards and processors. Knowing this information can help you pick a computer that's not only more practical for your needs, but also substantially less expensive.

There are also portable desktops to consider. These are pretty awesome, but generally lack any real graphics capabilities.

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2010, 03:03:34 pm »
Yeah my needs were mostly so I could play most recent games at relatively good framerate, especially SC2. I could have went with what my bro bought 2 years ago, but then I would have got choppy framerate at SC2, one of my favorite game, and not enjoy it as much. I could have went for a more high end computer, but I finally decided it was not really necessary. As for power it is not much of a worry for me, though, because since I got this computer, I pay about $3 more per month on the power bill, which is partly due to the fact now my bro let his computer on 24/7 like me, and we split the costs (which are $65 a month total in average) in half.

That said, if I ever needed a computer just to program and not for gaming or multimedia tasks like video editing, I would probably never have bought a new computer. I would have got my old one repaired.

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2010, 03:15:20 pm »
I have 256 MB RAM and only 991.0 MHz clockspeed. I win. :P j/k


("Margin"-edit: I have to say I run a very outdated linux, so speed is not a concern. I haven't updated anything in some time. The computer is almost 10y old and not connected to the internet, so nothing fancy, but it also means I hardly need/want any bloatware like antivirus :P )
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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2010, 03:16:52 pm »
I think Geekboy1011 has 768 MHz :P

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2010, 04:36:28 pm »
Damn. Someone has me beat. :P

I used to have a 600 MHz PC. It actually wasn't half-bad. I was able to run XP on it fairly well. (but it also had 512 MB RAM)

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2010, 04:40:34 pm »
Currently I still got my old 2.93 GHz computer. I no longer have my 350 Mhz one, tho. My bro also got a 3 GHz computer somewhere, I think. The 2.93 GHz comp has XP on it and is still used for when I make music on the old Playstation game MTVMG/Music 2000 (which requires me to record using audacity, a software that has yet to be ported fully to Windows 7)

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2011, 01:47:54 pm »
Ok so as some of you heard from me for several months alerady, this month I am supposed to buy a new desktop computer. No I'm not gonna build it myself.

Hi there DJ. My post is following an older topic but I am sure it will be read and found encouraging by many Desktop Owners.  I am a gamer, (can you tell by my nickname? ;) ) But I am also a remote support tech.  Which means all the experience I have connecting to computers around the world gives me a good insight as to the preferences people are leaning toward.  I can tell you for certain that  Desktop Gaming Computers will be in the mainstream for years and years. Why?  Because we gamers want the "Big Experience".  We want a rugged keyboard to bang out our text, a huge screen or dual screens to play our games and plenty of customizeable personal upgrades in our Towers a.k.a Cases.  The software industry is deluged with game designers and they don't want a "cartoonish" experience for their end users. They want us to be "blown away" with the best software possible that takes advantage of PhysX and all other technologies for our machines to knock us out of our comfy-computer chairs!  :w00t:.  Desktop computers are the only way to give us the tactile, visual and audio experience we all crave. Whether it's surround sound or a magnificent pair of light-weight bass throbbing  headphones, the sounds make the games so real we sometimes forget that 10 hours have passed-by since we sat down to play our games!  :angel:

Nope. Desktop Computers for gamers and many other fields are here to stay, at least until everything plugs directly into our gray-matter.  :crazy:

Here is my latest Desktop Build:
http://s1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff475/onlinegolfer/?action=view&current=pcdualmon.mp4

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2011, 02:25:03 pm »
Heya and welcome to the forums OnlineGolfer :). Yeah you have a good point because desktops always had better specs for the price than any laptop. It just seemed that where I live, stores are trying to push people to buy more expensive laptops instead of desktops, by making desktops as hard as possible to get and advertising the laptops' mobility and usefullness for students and work.

Nowadays it's not as bad as it was it seems, but maybe it's because I went to stores in the middle of the Christmas rush recently. :P Still, there were one and half an aisle of laptops in one of the store, plus a bunch of others nearby and some Mac stuff. Yet, there were only about 5 desktop computers. In addition to that, The Source near where I live had no desktop at all anymore and Best Buy, while they had a bunch of desktops, had way more laptops and tablets.

Also something I noticed is that a lot of laptops seems to break after 2-3 years when used a lot. Not sure if it's a coincidence but it seemed desktops were more resistant to intensive usage.

By the way that's quite a nice computer you have there. Mine isn't really an high-end gaming computer, as for example Crysis will run at 12 FPS if I set shaders to something higher than medium and Starcraft II will run at choppy framerate if I max out both the shaders/lightning settings and the resolution at once, but at medium shader with everything else maxed out it runs kinda fine unless I'm playing Fastest Possible Map Ever, so it kinda suits my needs well for now. Plus Starcraft II in medium shading settings but with everything else maxed out doesn't really look that much different anyway.
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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2011, 02:41:41 pm »
I love desktops. I have had 2 laptops with broken screens (stepping on it, lay a book on it, etc.) Desktops just seem better. And I love large screens.



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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2011, 02:42:55 pm »
Heya and welcome to the forums OnlineGolfer :)

Thanks. I really do encourage you to visit  tigerdirect.com ,  zipzoomfly.com or any other reputable technology/hardware site and buy a "bundle".  You can even call someone and ask quesitons during the process.  In truth, the bundles with a case, fans, processor, power supply, graphics card, memory, optical drive etc. is the same as putting together a model car or airplane (minus the glue) .   Just take your time and assemble the computer---it's really that easy. Best of all, you will be able to buy something for about $400.00 that's worth $900.00 in the retail stores and you'll be darn proud of your first desktop build. It's the best way to get the confidence about hardware for your future desktop computer experiences.

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2011, 02:45:41 pm »
Just wondering... do you own a calc, online golfer (no offense if you dont, just wondering)



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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2011, 02:50:48 pm »
Do these sites ships outside United States and do they charge a lot for it, though? I know that on Ebay, just by buying a tiny graphing calculator device, people from USA charges me $40 for shipping fees most of the time, and it takes 3-4 weeks for the item to arrive. Granted, the price would be much lower than in Canada, but if they charge incredibly high for shipping and I end up paying more in the end... D:

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Re: Are desktop computers being phased out?
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2011, 02:52:01 pm »
Just wondering... do you own a calc, online golfer (no offense if you dont, just wondering)

No offense taken. If you are referring to some software coders use, no I don't. I am strictly an Expert Windows Advanced Power User/Tutor/Troubleshooter.  I can fly the shuttle but (J/k) I didn't engineer it.  ;)