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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2010, 08:39:01 pm »
So far I haven't gotten any reviews from people who have never done ASM before.  Although what the lesson teaches is important, that's not my biggest concern.  My biggest concern is if the lesson is understandable or not.
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2010, 08:40:40 pm »
It seems pretty understandable so far.  It also seems to be a good starting place... this is from someone who died after trying anything of other asm tutorials...
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2010, 09:20:31 pm »
Yeah I read it through once, and I understood. It was also very funny, and engaging. Well, I might be a bit biased about understanding them at once, because I had some knowledge about binary number :P
But I can't wait for second lesson :)
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1. ROMANCE MATHEMATICS
Smart man + smart woman = romance
Smart man + dumb woman = affair
Dumb man + smart woman = marriage
Dumb man + dumb woman = pregnancy
2. OFFICE ARITHMETIC
Smart boss + smart employee = profit
Smart boss + dumb employee = production
Dumb boss + smart employee = promotion
Dumb boss + dumb employee = overtime
3. SHOPPING MATH
A man will pay $2 for a $1 item he needs.
A woman will pay $1 for a $2 item that she doesn't need.
4. GENERAL EQUATIONS & STATISTICS
A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband.
A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife.
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend.
A successful woman is one who can find such a man.
5. HAPPINESS
To be happy with a man, you must understand him a lot and love him a little.
To be happy with a woman, you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.
6. LONGEVITY
Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die.
7. PROPENSITY TO CHANGE
A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't.
A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change, and she does.
8. DISCUSSION TECHNIQUE
A woman has the last word in any argument.
Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

Girls = Time * Money (Girls are a combination of time and money)
Time = Money (Time is money)
Girls = Money squared (So, girls are money squared)
Money = sqrt(Evil) (Money is also the root of all evil)
Girls = sqrt(Evil) squared (So, girls are the root of all evil squared)
Girls = Evil (Thus, girls are evil)
*Girls=Evil credit goes to Compynerd255*

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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2010, 09:39:33 pm »
Thanks for all the feedback people!  Here's what I'll be doing:

1. I'll add the information about 1s and 0s being signals
2. I'm adding information about how to use Windows to convert from Binary to Decimal.  I forgot to do that, but I feel it's necessary.  I will also mention that almost anything you can do with Decimal numbers (such as add and multiply), you can do with binary numbers
3. I will save Hexadecimal numbers for another lesson, and I will put binary/decimal/hexidecimal conversion in an appendix.
4. I will start a new forum with this lesson, and lesson 2 will appear sometime this week.  Please continue helping me with feedback, so that when the lessons are in their final form, they will be good enough and easy enough to actually submit to a site such as ticlac.org.
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2010, 11:00:16 am »
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Which gets me asking: why is knowing conversion important?  I know how to convert from binary to decimal to hexadecimal, and yet I've rarely done it without a calculator.
I think it's very important to get how these number systems work. I also do that kind of work with a calculator now, but IMO it's necessary to understand what you're dealing with. It's like owning a fish store without knowing what fish you're actually selling.
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2010, 11:11:52 am »
Even thought I don't plan to learn ASM in the future, I may still check your guide from time to time and see if there aren't stuff that needs clarifying.
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2010, 11:34:34 am »
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2010, 11:11:52 am
Even thought I don't plan to learn ASM in the future, I may still check your guide from time to time and see if there aren't stuff that needs clarifying.

Any feedback is welcome.  If the tutorials in their final form are a success here, I hope to put them on Ticalc.org
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2010, 12:09:17 pm »
My main reson for never learning asm was that it was a pain to set up the environments to do so. I can work with C fairly decently, and I don't think the code would give me much trouble, but the hours it takes to set up just take too long (talking from DS development here) and the command line editors have little or no documentation.

I'll probably check out the guide. Maybe I could get started now!
« Last Edit: April 26, 2010, 12:09:56 pm by willrandship »
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2010, 12:35:23 pm »
oh that reminds me Hot Dog: in the tutorial it's important to help the person get started. Guide him into how to setup an ASM environment for his needs. He can use, for example, a TASM one, Spasm, Latenite (?), etc and describe the advantages/disadvantages of them.
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2010, 01:22:04 pm »
And the new ASM development tool that SirCmpwn was making, it seemed pretty cool. and the one that Eeems was making, idk if it's working or not tho.
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Spoiler For funny life mathematics:
1. ROMANCE MATHEMATICS
Smart man + smart woman = romance
Smart man + dumb woman = affair
Dumb man + smart woman = marriage
Dumb man + dumb woman = pregnancy
2. OFFICE ARITHMETIC
Smart boss + smart employee = profit
Smart boss + dumb employee = production
Dumb boss + smart employee = promotion
Dumb boss + dumb employee = overtime
3. SHOPPING MATH
A man will pay $2 for a $1 item he needs.
A woman will pay $1 for a $2 item that she doesn't need.
4. GENERAL EQUATIONS & STATISTICS
A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband.
A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife.
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend.
A successful woman is one who can find such a man.
5. HAPPINESS
To be happy with a man, you must understand him a lot and love him a little.
To be happy with a woman, you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.
6. LONGEVITY
Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die.
7. PROPENSITY TO CHANGE
A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't.
A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change, and she does.
8. DISCUSSION TECHNIQUE
A woman has the last word in any argument.
Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

Girls = Time * Money (Girls are a combination of time and money)
Time = Money (Time is money)
Girls = Money squared (So, girls are money squared)
Money = sqrt(Evil) (Money is also the root of all evil)
Girls = sqrt(Evil) squared (So, girls are the root of all evil squared)
Girls = Evil (Thus, girls are evil)
*Girls=Evil credit goes to Compynerd255*

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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2010, 01:33:08 pm »
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2010, 12:35:23 pm
oh that reminds me Hot Dog: in the tutorial it's important to help the person get started. Guide him into how to setup an ASM environment for his needs. He can use, for example, a TASM one, Spasm, Latenite (?), etc and describe the advantages/disadvantages of them.

I planned on that for a later tutorial, when the person actually starts programming...the advantage is that when the person sets up the ASM program, he knows why.  Are there any disadvantages, aka any reasons I should have it in the first?
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2010, 01:41:24 pm »
Yeah, I guess you are right, and the person should understand the basic idea first, but what I think is that when you actually start providing examples and snippets of codes, the readers might want to try out, but don't know how to make them, like the usual hello world program. So I think introducing the ASM environment fairly early in the tutorial is good.
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Spoiler For funny life mathematics:
1. ROMANCE MATHEMATICS
Smart man + smart woman = romance
Smart man + dumb woman = affair
Dumb man + smart woman = marriage
Dumb man + dumb woman = pregnancy
2. OFFICE ARITHMETIC
Smart boss + smart employee = profit
Smart boss + dumb employee = production
Dumb boss + smart employee = promotion
Dumb boss + dumb employee = overtime
3. SHOPPING MATH
A man will pay $2 for a $1 item he needs.
A woman will pay $1 for a $2 item that she doesn't need.
4. GENERAL EQUATIONS & STATISTICS
A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband.
A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife.
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend.
A successful woman is one who can find such a man.
5. HAPPINESS
To be happy with a man, you must understand him a lot and love him a little.
To be happy with a woman, you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.
6. LONGEVITY
Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die.
7. PROPENSITY TO CHANGE
A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't.
A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change, and she does.
8. DISCUSSION TECHNIQUE
A woman has the last word in any argument.
Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

Girls = Time * Money (Girls are a combination of time and money)
Time = Money (Time is money)
Girls = Money squared (So, girls are money squared)
Money = sqrt(Evil) (Money is also the root of all evil)
Girls = sqrt(Evil) squared (So, girls are the root of all evil squared)
Girls = Evil (Thus, girls are evil)
*Girls=Evil credit goes to Compynerd255*

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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2010, 01:43:03 pm »
Quote from: jsj795 on April 26, 2010, 01:41:24 pm
Yeah, I guess you are right, and the person should understand the basic idea first, but what I think is that when you actually start providing examples and snippets of codes, the readers might want to try out, but don't know how to make them, like the usual hello world program. So I think introducing the ASM environment fairly early in the tutorial is good.


Good point.  When programming actually starts in Tutorial 4, I'll bring up the development environments.
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2010, 06:54:56 pm »
I just read the first lesson.  Great job!  I knew what was covered in this installment, so I can't say how good it was at teaching it, but it was very well written.  I can't wait to read future issues! ;D
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Re: How Many People would want to learn ASM if they could?
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2010, 11:30:49 am »
I think that you should recommend a specific IDE for beginners, mention others, but mainly focus on the recommended one to avoid confusion. Just my opinion, but I think it will make it easier to understand.
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