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Re: Re: Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2013, 12:06:42 pm »
They also mention that the touch screen isn't that accurate and that the key-pad can only move horizontally/vertically, no diagonal movement when moving a cursor, for example.

Btw, is there an exact release date set? Does "September" mean the 1st? If there's ASM support i'll definitely be picking one up :)
the touchscreen can't be worse than the iPod Touch, though. On the iPod you must zoom in until the link text fills the entire screen height in order to accurately click it. As for the keypad, I noticed in a Youtube video that someone made that scrolling could be diagonal. It is possible that there might be diagonal movement inside programs, just not outside, such as menus.

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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2013, 12:28:05 pm »
They also mention that the touch screen isn't that accurate and that the key-pad can only move horizontally/vertically, no diagonal movement when moving a cursor, for example.

Hi,

No such problem with my pre-release unit. Touch screen accurate (for my fingers ;) ) , and the key-pad moves diagonal :D  
There is a MOUSE command for use touch screen in program...
« Last Edit: August 17, 2013, 12:33:03 pm by Gilles59 »

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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2013, 12:32:34 pm »
They should update the firmware - of course, if they have access to it.
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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2013, 12:51:43 pm »
I know it's been confirmed that the current models don't have asm support, but the models that have been sent out weren't packaged with the final software. I know they're still fixing things up before release into stores, i wasn't sure if that was something that would possibly change before the final release or if they'd already mentioned that they weren't going to add in support for native code.

Also, it's available for pre-order here:
http://eduhp.cn/Products/Index/49

It's listed at nearly 2000 RMB, around 250€ O.O I'm hoping that's not the suggested retail price. On another site, however, someone from HP mentioned that it'll be more reasonably priced than the 50g when it came out:
http://es.engadget.com/2013/04/22/hp-prime-calculadora-video/
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We believe that it'll be more accessible than the Nspire CAS CX and that when it comes out to the market it'll be better-priced than the HP50g when it first came out.

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They also mention that the touch screen isn't that accurate and that the key-pad can only move horizontally/vertically, no diagonal movement when moving a cursor, for example.
Hi,

No such problem with my pre-release unit. Touch screen accurate (for my fingers ;) ) , and the key-pad moves diagonal :D 
There is a MOUSE command for use touch screen in program...
That's great news :)
« Last Edit: August 17, 2013, 12:53:33 pm by chickendude »

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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2013, 01:01:48 pm »
No such problem with my pre-release unit.
That's pretty interesting! Would you mind telling us how did you get a pre-release unit? Thanks.

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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2013, 01:05:57 pm »
You should contact HP and introduce yourself ;)
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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2013, 05:16:02 pm »
Given what was told by Tim a week ago, although the calcs lacks ASM support, I don't think it will be really as hard as the Nspire to add it ourselves and maintaining it might not be as hard either. However, the minute that ASM programs dedicated to mess with the teacher mode becomes too easy to access, you can be assured that HP will do the same thing as TI.

As for retail price, we have to keep in mind that many companies usually charges much higher outside United States. For example in Canada, which is just next to USA border, a TI-89 Titanium will cost $50 higher than south of the border. Also, most Casio calcs in France are about $60 higher than in United States.

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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2013, 07:03:57 pm »
We still don't know (at least, i don't) the exact hardware architecture of the calc, except for a few details that have surfaced: a touch-screen, a 400MHz ARM cpu, 256Mb of flash  and 32Mb of ram. It looks to me it shouldn't be too difficult to install on it some sort of Linux variant, namely Android. The minute this is achieved, students can install whatever cheating software they can find. So, no matter how good these 'Examination Mode's are, in the long run, they will be completely overtaken by some smart student(s). Furthermore, programming in general will be open to almost any computer language you want and there are quite a number of good open-source mathematic/scientific packages out there.

Depending on the classe's size, being myself a teacher, i find it very unrealistic to implement an effective way to prevent cheating. At first, it will scare some, i concede that. Instead, you have to train yourself during some years to detect the cheater looking into his/her facial expression and gestures. So, i see it more as yet another school directed marketing feature more than anything else.

As for the price, unfortunately, i find the minimum price of $150 rather expensive for such a device. Unless forced by the school/lecturer to buy such a device, students are much better off buying an Android mobile phone (maybe to "show-off in Starbucks - Keoni29"  ;) ) instead and a much cheaper calc for the examination needs. Of course, they can always lower it later if the actual selling numbers fall behind the expectations.

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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2013, 07:21:54 pm »
Yeah, the thing we need to do is see if it's possible to install a 3rd party OS on it and if not, then see if it's possible to created hacked apps (if it's possible to install apps) and finally, see if there are bugs inside the OS that allows one to launch ASM code.

As for the price I wonder how much was the HP 50g when it launched? Now it's $149.99, which is almost as much as a TI-Nspire CX. However, the HP 39gII, despite having a much faster OS, is like $105. I can't see how HP will be able to charge $200 for a calc in USA. They'll probably have to drop their price to the same as competition, even if their hardware is better, or let stores run many sales.
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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2013, 07:59:03 pm »
I'd expect the Prime to be priced similarly to the Nspire. I think it was mentioned in one of these articles that the MSRP in Europe was projected to be about the same as the Nspire. I would expect no less in the United States.

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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2013, 02:56:41 am »
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We still don't know (at least, i don't) the exact hardware architecture of the calc, except for a few details that have surfaced: a touch-screen, a 400MHz ARM cpu, 256Mb of flash  and 32Mb of ram. It looks to me it shouldn't be too difficult to install on it some sort of Linux variant, namely Android.
Samsung S3C2416, as posted elsewhere by tw, and that chip does indeed already have good Linux support ;)
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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2013, 12:36:11 pm »
Actually, HP Prime is still quite a bit new for the majority of the people (me included). After some more googling we can find a lot of scattered info, though. Yesterday, i found the HP Prime Wiki which is already a good starter. What i haven't found yet is a good "HP Prime for Dummies" sort of tutorial, which would spark further interest and increase the number of potential users. For developers, perhaps some of our HP programming gurus will find some spare time to write a more entertaining/convincing demo. ;)

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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2013, 12:42:12 pm »
The Quick Start Guide is a must read and the manual is a recommended read, I'd say :)
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Re: Student testers of DVT HP Prime appeared
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2013, 05:25:01 pm »
Yeah the quick start guide and the instruction manual are the best place so far, then if you want to learn further on programming, the HP Prime wiki. Keep in mind that some versions of the manual are outdated, though (they're merely HP 39gII manuals renamed to HP Prime)