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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2009, 08:29:18 am »
TI is cheater on manuals.
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2009, 08:54:37 am »
Quote from: Galandros on November 15, 2009, 08:29:18 am
TI is cheater on manuals.
and on RAM chips
 
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2009, 10:29:47 am »
Quote from: NecroF-_-ckk on November 15, 2009, 08:54:37 am
Quote from: Galandros on November 15, 2009, 08:29:18 am
TI is cheater on manuals.
and on RAM chips
 
lol. And they hid 1.00 from us.  >:(
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2009, 05:03:54 pm »
this is randomness so...

DJ Omnimaga your keyboard is similar to mine... >:(
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2009, 05:20:16 pm »
Quote from: ztrumpet on November 15, 2009, 10:29:47 am
Quote from: NecroF-_-ckk on November 15, 2009, 08:54:37 am
Quote from: Galandros on November 15, 2009, 08:29:18 am
TI is cheater on manuals.
and on RAM chips
 
lol. And they hid 1.00 from us.  >:(
If Casio had the oppurtunities of TI, I'd say, let's sell our TI's for $5 each (boycotting TI) and buy Casio's (boycotting TI, again :P )

Or HP, dunno what's best of those 2
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2009, 05:22:31 pm »
No.
I will not become a HP heathen...
Although if they were to end up better then TI I would switch. But they aren't so...no
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2009, 05:30:26 pm »
me neither,
I think ... I've seen some impressive work on them too tho, and that's stuff from about 8 years ago O.o
I mean, if people would put their time in HP's, they could show what potential they still have left
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2009, 11:26:53 pm »
But I like my calc...
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2009, 11:39:07 pm »
Hardware wise, HP-49G/50G are FAR better than TI calcs. They both have a 203 MHz ARM processor, underclocked to much lower speed to save on battery. However, their full speed can be activated through ASM language. The problem with these calcs is that apparently they're not easy to use and the community is quasi nonexistent. As for Casio, there's a model with color screen, but no ASM support and discontinued (slower BASIC too) and the Casio FX-9860G, which is roughly the same speed (or close) as the 83+, has no Asm(/Send(9 command to run ASM libs in BASIC games so no way to run archived programs. Hardware-wise it's roughtly the same as a SE calc I think. The Casio community is bigger than the HP community, but still smaller than TI community (altough its activity didn't decrease as fast as the TI and HP community in 2006-08). Casios are used a lot because they're much cheaper than TI calcs, while still being able to do math programs and graphing students need.

Btw, I kinda like the Casio FX-9860G in some ways, though. The equivalent on Output( on it, despite not word-wrapping like on TI, is much faster than on the 83+. If you run Kucalc's add-on that sets the CPU speed to maximum (by default, the calc runs at around 10-12 MHz I think, instead of close to 16), the Output function gets so incredibly fast that even when displaying 3 lines of text with 3 output functions through a loop, I got close-to-flickerless grayscale
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2009, 04:41:05 am »
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 15, 2009, 11:39:07 pm
Hardware wise, HP-49G/50G are FAR better than TI calcs. They both have a 203 MHz ARM processor, underclocked to much lower speed to save on battery. However, their full speed can be activated through ASM language. The problem with these calcs is that apparently they're not easy to use and the community is quasi nonexistent. As for Casio, there's a model with color screen, but no ASM support and discontinued (slower BASIC too) and the Casio FX-9860G, which is roughly the same speed (or close) as the 83+, has no Asm(/Send(9 command to run ASM libs in BASIC games so no way to run archived programs. Hardware-wise it's roughtly the same as a SE calc I think. The Casio community is bigger than the HP community, but still smaller than TI community (altough its activity didn't decrease as fast as the TI and HP community in 2006-08). Casios are used a lot because they're much cheaper than TI calcs, while still being able to do math programs and graphing students need.

Btw, I kinda like the Casio FX-9860G in some ways, though. The equivalent on Output( on it, despite not word-wrapping like on TI, is much faster than on the 83+. If you run Kucalc's add-on that sets the CPU speed to maximum (by default, the calc runs at around 10-12 MHz I think, instead of close to 16), the Output function gets so incredibly fast that even when displaying 3 lines of text with 3 output functions through a loop, I got close-to-flickerless grayscale
Maybe if there was someone trying they could hack? There could be impressive stuff with all that..

200 MHz, cool. But in full speed batteries last how many hours?
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2009, 09:43:21 am »
Quote from: Galandros on November 16, 2009, 04:41:05 am
200 MHz, cool. But in full speed batteries last how many hours?
i would just guess not very long :P
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2009, 03:31:25 pm »
I just changed my batteries...

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 15, 2009, 11:39:07 pm
Btw, I kinda like the Casio FX-9860G in some ways, though. The equivalent on Output( on it, despite not word-wrapping like on TI, is much faster than on the 83+. If you run Kucalc's add-on that sets the CPU speed to maximum (by default, the calc runs at around 10-12 MHz I think, instead of close to 16), the Output function gets so incredibly fast that even when displaying 3 lines of text with 3 output functions through a loop, I got close-to-flickerless grayscale
That's pretty neat.  What other interesting things are out there?
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2009, 11:07:38 pm »
It has fewer functions than 83+ in overall, like for example, OS 1.0 lacked strings, but it's not too bad either. I am pretty sure I could port some of my old RPGs to it or maybe do similar looking games with animated dungeon graphics (if that doesn't take too much space). I wish Casio kept color screen like the Casio CFX-9850G and 9950G models, though. Since the FX-9860G speed is almost as fast as TI calcs, it would have been faster to generate dungeon graphics than on the old CFX models
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2009, 01:58:08 am »
Quote from: megajake03 on November 16, 2009, 09:43:21 am
Quote from: Galandros on November 16, 2009, 04:41:05 am
200 MHz, cool. But in full speed batteries last how many hours?
i would just guess not very long :P

In my experience, the HP 50g battery life isn't too impressive, even used normally. Then again, I use it constantly, which is probably much more than most people. But I usually have to recharge my AAA batteries at least once a week. Sometimes every couple of days under heavy use. My TI-89 could probably last two or three weeks per charge of very heavy use by comparison.

I experimented with the overclocking feature with some kind of program I downloaded, but unless I was doing something wrong, it doesn't seem to work that well on my model. Oddly, most of the higher speeds actually seem to make it run slower! It seems that I read some forum post where someone else noticed that too, but I couldn't find it again. There was one setting that did make it seem to run a bit faster. However, all of the overclock settings seem to totally mess up the keyboard (keys do strange, random things) so it doesn't seem that it would be useful for anything beyond briefly running a complex calculation or something where key input isn't needed. But I'm sure even the standard 75 MHz or whatever clock speed could do impressive things for programs written directly in ASM (i.e., not UserRPL or SysRPL).
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Re: You thought your TI-84+ manual was small and bad? Think again
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2009, 02:00:05 am »
I actually used to spend a set of AAA batteries per two-three week from mid 2002 to mid 2003 in my 83+SE, depending of which brand I used (in rare occasions, I used energizer e2, which lasted about a month)
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