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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #765 on: January 15, 2011, 05:14:15 pm »
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Full 8XU, we have the signing keys after all :)

I thought I read somewhere that KOS couuld be installed from an app, I mean. I can't download .8xus directly, because I always transfer things through someone else's 84+, so I was wondering if the beta would have an .8xk installer.
I'm not sure how it would work...The installation time would be horrendous and it would take a lot of tricky coding.
Why can't you download .8xu's may I ask? (I'd be willing to give you some help with getting it to work if you want)

It's just what willranship said: I have a calc-to-calc cable and a USB cable, but no silverlink.
Okay, so I'm sure that we can still work that out.  Using the calc-calc cable, and an adapter, I bet I could write a program that would transfer stuff.  Maybe, I can't be certain on that. But I bet it could at least transfer an OS. Do you have an arduino?
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #766 on: January 15, 2011, 05:27:23 pm »
Quote from: graphmastur on January 15, 2011, 05:14:15 pm
Quote from: Deep Thought on January 15, 2011, 05:11:14 pm
Quote from: Eeems on January 15, 2011, 04:06:40 pm
Quote from: Deep Thought on January 15, 2011, 02:57:44 pm
Quote from: Eeems on January 15, 2011, 01:27:01 pm
Full 8XU, we have the signing keys after all :)

I thought I read somewhere that KOS couuld be installed from an app, I mean. I can't download .8xus directly, because I always transfer things through someone else's 84+, so I was wondering if the beta would have an .8xk installer.
I'm not sure how it would work...The installation time would be horrendous and it would take a lot of tricky coding.
Why can't you download .8xu's may I ask? (I'd be willing to give you some help with getting it to work if you want)

It's just what willranship said: I have a calc-to-calc cable and a USB cable, but no silverlink.
Okay, so I'm sure that we can still work that out.  Using the calc-calc cable, and an adapter, I bet I could write a program that would transfer stuff.  Maybe, I can't be certain on that. But I bet it could at least transfer an OS. Do you have an arduino?

Nope. I'd get a silverlink, but my parents don't even know about the prgm'ing.

Thanks, though.
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #767 on: January 15, 2011, 05:27:51 pm »
Quote from: Deep Thought on January 15, 2011, 05:27:23 pm
Quote from: graphmastur on January 15, 2011, 05:14:15 pm
Quote from: Deep Thought on January 15, 2011, 05:11:14 pm
Quote from: Eeems on January 15, 2011, 04:06:40 pm
Quote from: Deep Thought on January 15, 2011, 02:57:44 pm
Quote from: Eeems on January 15, 2011, 01:27:01 pm
Full 8XU, we have the signing keys after all :)

I thought I read somewhere that KOS couuld be installed from an app, I mean. I can't download .8xus directly, because I always transfer things through someone else's 84+, so I was wondering if the beta would have an .8xk installer.
I'm not sure how it would work...The installation time would be horrendous and it would take a lot of tricky coding.
Why can't you download .8xu's may I ask? (I'd be willing to give you some help with getting it to work if you want)

It's just what willranship said: I have a calc-to-calc cable and a USB cable, but no silverlink.
Okay, so I'm sure that we can still work that out.  Using the calc-calc cable, and an adapter, I bet I could write a program that would transfer stuff.  Maybe, I can't be certain on that. But I bet it could at least transfer an OS. Do you have an arduino?

Nope. I'd get a silverlink, but my parents don't even know about the prgm'ing.
Oh, okay.  Good luck then.
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #768 on: January 15, 2011, 05:28:00 pm »
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #769 on: January 15, 2011, 06:50:55 pm »
If you're hardware handy you could make your own serial or parallel linker :P
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #770 on: January 16, 2011, 03:09:09 pm »
If there's a 8xk installer, I assume it will copy itself in the appropriate area of the Flash ROM then overwrite the entire OS before deleting itself, right? Does the VAT work the same way for flash apps? I wonder if that could be a problem? (the app being at a variable location)
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #771 on: January 16, 2011, 03:34:25 pm »
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If there's a 8xk installer, I assume it will copy itself in the appropriate area of the Flash ROM then overwrite the entire OS before deleting itself, right? Does the VAT work the same way for flash apps? I wonder if that could be a problem? (the app being at a variable location)
The app isn't variable at all.  Let's see, the best way I can think to do it would be to call the app which is always located at 0x4000.  Then, delete page 0, change execution so that it can run anywhere in memory, and then swap the other pages of the apps out so that they can overwrite stuff wherever they need to.  Technically, he could make it where booting of KOS made the filesystem if it wasn't there before.
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #772 on: January 16, 2011, 04:55:50 pm »
graphmastur is right.  Because KnightOS is so small, the app installer would only be a few pages, I predict no more than three.  It would clear out the appropriate sectors, and copy KnightOS to each one.  Then it would reboot, KnightOS would run the installer, and viola, you have KOS.
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #773 on: January 16, 2011, 07:24:08 pm »
I'm thinking we should also compress the installer app a bunch to save room, so maybe possibly we could get it down to two pages?
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #774 on: January 16, 2011, 07:25:32 pm »
I can definitely get the current version of KnightOS to fit in one page.  Two pages could be feasible down the line, without compression.
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #775 on: January 16, 2011, 07:34:51 pm »
Ok :) Still thinking that compressing it down a page would be nice though.
Also, any more thought about compressing the actual OS stuff?
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #776 on: January 16, 2011, 07:35:37 pm »
Compression might happen, but it will be slow already.  And it will be the last app you will ever install on your calculator under TIOS, so I'm not too worried about size.
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #777 on: January 16, 2011, 07:41:10 pm »
Will there be a way to put TiOS back on? My parents might be mad if I had a different OS on my calc.
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #778 on: January 16, 2011, 07:43:44 pm »
Yes, there will be a way.  You can always pull a battery and put it back in with DEL held down.
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Re: KnightOS
« Reply #779 on: January 16, 2011, 07:45:17 pm »
What will that do?
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