Author Topic: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working (Read 16870 times)

critor · « **on:** April 12, 2011, 09:01:13 pm »

Quote from: Levak on April 12, 2011, 07:06:29 pm

The real 3.0 Periodic Table face :
http://tibank.forumactif.com/t6885-topolangage-script-ti-os-30-enfin-un-langage-api#109245

I've just newsed about the new Nspire "secret" programming language included in OS 3.0! (according to our first investigations some kind of an object oriented script, very similar to Lua)
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1042

mikehill2003 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:01:25 pm »

Quote from: Dingus on April 12, 2011, 08:58:18 pm

Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 12, 2011, 06:43:27 pm
Yes, they would.

Wow. I thought that be against the law or something. Do they at least have to warn people that they are buying a flawed product?

lolwow
Are you using MS Windows right now?

calc84maniac · « **Reply #2 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:02:02 pm »

Quote from: Dingus on April 12, 2011, 08:58:18 pm

Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 12, 2011, 06:43:27 pm
Yes, they would.

Wow. I thought that be against the law or something. Do they at least have to warn people that they are buying a flawed product?

The product itself isn't flawed, the software simply has a bug (which doesn't produce incorrect results, but just gives an error message). That's what OS updates are for.

mikehill2003 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:04:32 pm »

Yes, but they don't have to patch it if they don't want to. Critor has complained to TI about OS bugs, and they haven't fixed them. (If I remember correctly)

calc84maniac · « **Reply #4 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:08:26 pm »

Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 12, 2011, 09:04:32 pm

Yes, but they don't have to patch it if they don't want to. Critor has complained to TI about OS bugs, and they haven't fixed them. (If I remember correctly)

If said OS bugs were not part of the math functionality, they'd have less incentive to fix them. I'm sure they'll fix fundamental glitches in the math functions (and didn't someone in that google groups topic say something about a reply from TI that they planned to fix the bug?)

ruler501 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:13:41 pm »

Quote from: critor on April 12, 2011, 09:01:13 pm

Quote from: Levak on April 12, 2011, 07:06:29 pm
The real 3.0 Periodic Table face :
http://tibank.forumactif.com/t6885-topolangage-script-ti-os-30-enfin-un-langage-api#109245

Are we currently able to use this or will it require a software hack?
I've just newsed about the new Nspire "secret" programming language included in OS 3.0! (according to our first investigations some kind of an object oriented script, very similar to Lua)
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1042

critor · « **Reply #6 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:14:02 pm »

Quote from: calc84maniac on April 12, 2011, 09:08:26 pm

Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 12, 2011, 09:04:32 pm
Yes, but they don't have to patch it if they don't want to. Critor has complained to TI about OS bugs, and they haven't fixed them. (If I remember correctly)
If said OS bugs were not part of the math functionality, they'd have less incentive to fix them. I'm sure they'll fix fundamental glitches in the math functions (and didn't someone in that google groups topic say something about a reply from TI that they planned to fix the bug?)

For information, I've reported a math bug giving a bad result with complex numbers on all TI-83/83+/84+ OSes.

2 years ago...

They replied with a "thank you", and "we're forwarding to the development team".

They never fixed anything... The bug is still there in the 84+ 2.56MP OS.

angle(N) with N being a negative real number returns Pi in both radian and degree angular modes.

In degree mode, it should return 180.

Of course, a human will automatically replace Pi by 180.
But a program will just continue to perform its operations using the wrong value, if its developer wasn't aware of the bug.

calc84maniac · « **Reply #7 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:16:30 pm »

Quote from: critor on April 12, 2011, 09:14:02 pm

Quote from: calc84maniac on April 12, 2011, 09:08:26 pm
Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 12, 2011, 09:04:32 pm
Yes, but they don't have to patch it if they don't want to. Critor has complained to TI about OS bugs, and they haven't fixed them. (If I remember correctly)
If said OS bugs were not part of the math functionality, they'd have less incentive to fix them. I'm sure they'll fix fundamental glitches in the math functions (and didn't someone in that google groups topic say something about a reply from TI that they planned to fix the bug?)

For information, I've reported a math bug giving a bad result with complex numbers on all TI-83/83+/84+ OSes.

2 years ago...

They replied with a "thank you", and "we're forwarding to the development team".

They never fixed anything... The bug is still there in the 84+ 2.56MP OS.

angle(N) with N being a negative real number returns Pi in both radian and degree angular modes.

In degree mode, it should return 180.

Of course, a human will automatically replace Pi by 180.
But a program will just continue using the wrong value...

Well yes, I realize that they don't care about TI-84+ bugs anymore. But for their shiny TI-Nspire line, they actually care about that stuff it seems.

mikehill2003 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:18:51 pm »

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Are we currently able to use this or will it require a software hack?

Use what, the periodic table? If it's a page that can be added to documents, or a program like the scratchpad, I doubt we can use it on the non-CX nspires. If it's a tns, it should work on any OS3 nspire.

ruler501 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:20:55 pm »

I hope they care about TI-Nspire bugs. Theyt already have a bad enough rep on stuff like that(mainly from us). If they keep it up they will probably start losing lots of customers

EDIT:

Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 12, 2011, 09:18:51 pm

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Are we currently able to use this or will it require a software hack?
Use what, the periodic table? If it's a page that can be added to documents, or a program like the scratchpad, I doubt we can use it on the non-CX nspires. If it's a tns, it should work on any OS3 nspire.

I was talking about the scripting language that makes it work
By the way I downloaded this app and have not seen any real special functionality what is it supposed to be able to do on nonCAS Nspire?
I don't think any of what I'm seeing would require a scripting language I have a version much like this on my calc already that is community made

mikehill2003 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:23:04 pm »

Quote from: ruler501 on April 12, 2011, 09:20:55 pm

I hope they care about TI-Nspire bugs. Theyt already have a bad enough rep on stuff like that(mainly from us). If they keep it up they will probably start losing lots of customers

See, the problem is that they don't have to care. Schools (their main source of calculator purchases) will buy them anyway. I'd have a Prizm right now if the OS was a little better, but IMO TI dosen't have any close competitors.

critor · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:23:27 pm »

Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 12, 2011, 09:18:51 pm

Quote
Are we currently able to use this or will it require a software hack?
Use what, the periodic table? If it's a page that can be added to documents, or a program like the scratchpad, I doubt we can use it on the non-CX nspires. If it's a tns, it should work on any OS3 nspire.

I suppose he was meaning "using the script language behind the periodic table".

And the answer is no.

We can only use it if we get the special software to insert/edit "TI.ScriptApp" widgets.
The, TI-Nspire Developer Edition?
It seems John Powers has it.

No wonder they're trying to kill Ndless. They'll be able to sell that software, and/or the generated documents!

ruler501 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:25:27 pm »

I wonder if they'll try to sell the SDK and if so when and for how much. I will not pay much for it(most $20) otherwise I can get a copy of it off the internet easily enough if they release it.

yeah that was what I meant. we'lll have to hack it or maybe John Powers will be nice and give it to us

critor · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:31:49 pm »

Quote from: ruler501 on April 12, 2011, 09:25:27 pm

I wonder if they'll try to sell the SDK and if so when and for how much. I will not pay much for it(most $20) otherwise I can get a copy of it off the internet easily enough if they release it.

yeah that was what I meant. we'lll have to hack it or maybe John Powers will be nice and give it to us

John Powers was allready in the TI-68k development team.
I don't think you'll get anything from him by simply "asking" for it.

ruler501 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:58:42 pm »

Petition maybe?

A hack will proably be our best idea for now.
so what exactly is the scripting language(Lua) doing in the periodic table file?