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How would you solve this math problem?
« on: May 10, 2012, 04:30:10 pm »
How would you solve this math problem?

Find the sum of the digits of the base-5 representation of 20122012.

By the way, I came up with this problem.
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2012, 04:37:49 pm »
Hm, 20122012 is a huge number, not sure every programming language would handle it.

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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2012, 04:43:50 pm »
It would be very easy in Python, but unfortunately I have to go to sleep now.
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2012, 04:54:56 pm »
19,112

EDIT: When in doubt, brute force with Mathematica.

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Total[IntegerDigits[2012^2012, 5]]
I'm sure there's a nicer mathematical solution to this. I'm going to go find it.
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2012, 04:58:46 pm »
I get to 19112 with C# and bc.

Dammit, ninja'd.

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System.Numerics.BigInteger hugenumber = System.Numerics.BigInteger.Pow(2012, 2012);
// now type iconv=10;oconv=5 then the result of hugenumber in bc
string lolbase5number = "whatever you got in bc";
int TheAnswer = 0;
for (int i = 0; i < lolbase5number.Length; i++)
{
    TheAnswer += lolbase5number[i]-48;
}
// now output it
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2012, 10:16:07 pm »
How would you do it without using a computer program, though?
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2012, 10:30:40 pm »
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2012, 10:38:25 pm »
There's got to be a shorter way...
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2012, 12:11:38 am »
Huh, it turns out this problem is highly related to a problem Xeda and I were working on AND a problem I was working on by myself awhile ago. Interesting...

EDIT: Also, there is almost certainly a reasonable way to do this by hand.
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2012, 12:13:36 am »
Does it have to do with ISEF? and CERN?
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2012, 12:14:50 am »
What do ISEF and CERN have to do with anything?
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2012, 12:16:21 am »
Anyway, that would be a total pain doing it by hand.
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Re: How would you solve this math problem?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2012, 12:19:13 am »
it's much easier if you choose bases that are powers of each other.
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