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Quote from: apcalc on January 14, 2011, 04:03:32 pmI would say it is very stable. I have been using it for a few weeks not and I have not had any problems for a while! +42, on CAS ClickPad
I would say it is very stable. I have been using it for a few weeks not and I have not had any problems for a while!
Quote from: yifanlu on January 14, 2011, 05:38:30 pmI'm trying to compile the latest SVN release on ubuntu. However, at "MakeLoader ndless_installer_os-1.7.bin Document.xml" I get "Error: The loader size must be less than 1024 bytes." So I checked the .bin file and it is indeed 1028 bytes. I didn't modify any source, so why is this?Please read the known issues before posting : http://www.unsads.com/projects/nsptools/ticket/55To sum up : For the moment, nobody can build Ndless 2.0 on Ubuntu with gcc-4.5-10 (lastest version).If you have the solution (changing the source code is excluded) please post it.Thanks.
I'm trying to compile the latest SVN release on ubuntu. However, at "MakeLoader ndless_installer_os-1.7.bin Document.xml" I get "Error: The loader size must be less than 1024 bytes." So I checked the .bin file and it is indeed 1028 bytes. I didn't modify any source, so why is this?
Quote from: Levak on January 14, 2011, 04:07:51 pm+42, on CAS ClickPad* fb39ca4 confused
+42, on CAS ClickPad
@apcalc: Have you noticed your respect is 37?
Quote from: fb39ca4 on January 14, 2011, 05:52:34 pmQuote from: Levak on January 14, 2011, 04:07:51 pm+42, on CAS ClickPad* fb39ca4 confusedAh, I get it now.@apcalc: lol it's 38 already.Would you like a significance of my "+42" ?When I "+1" a message, I agree with it."+42" is an extension of "+1", but it is so true that I have upgraded the "+1" with the answer of the universe, of the live and of all the rest : 42
Dude, stop putting your posts inside your quotes
Code: [Select]Juckel@JULIAN /ndless$ make distrm -rf distClearing in tools...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools'Clearing in build...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/build'cd ../../bin && rm -f nspire-gcc nspire-ld nspire-as || :make[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/build'Clearing in MakeLoader...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'rm -f ../../bin/MakeLoader.exemake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools'Clearing in libndls...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/libndls'rm -rf *.o *.elf *.arm -f ../lib/libndls.amake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/libndls'Clearing in arm...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm'rm -rf *.o *.bin *.elf *.xml *.ziprm -rf ../calcbin/ndless_installer*.tns ../calcbin/ndless_resources.tnsmake all in tests...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm/tests'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ndless_tests.tnsrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ndless_keys.tnsrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ReadMe.txtmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm/tests'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm'Clearing in samples...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples'Clearing in hella...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/hella'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/hella.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/hella'Clearing in hello...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/hello'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/hello.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/hello'Clearing in particles...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/particles'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/particles.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/particles'rm -f ../calcbin/samples/ReadMe.txtmake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples'rm -rf calcbinrm -rf bin libmkdir -p dist/srccp -r `ls | grep -v dist` dist/srcfind dist -name Makefile.config | xargs rm -rfmake all in tools...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools'make all in build...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/build'cp nspire-gcc nspire-ld nspire-as ../../binmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/build'make all in MakeLoader...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'gcc -W -Wall MakeLoader.c -o ../../bin/MakeLoader.exemake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools'make all in libndls...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/libndls'nspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c any_key_pressed.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -marm -c clear_cache.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c clrscr.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c feof.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c fgets.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c fputs.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -marm -c idle.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c isalnum.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c iscntrl.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c rewind.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c show_msgbox.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c sleep.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c strcspn.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c strspn.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c wait_key_pressed.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c wait_no_key_pressed.c"/c/Programme/yagarto/bin/arm-none-eabi-ar.exe" rcs ../lib/libndls.a any_key_pressed.o clear_cache.o clrscr.o feof.o fgets.o fputs.o idle.o isalnum.o iscntrl.o rewind.o show_msgbox.o sleep.o strcspn.o strspn.o wait_key_pressed.o wait_no_key_pressed.omake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/libndls'make all in arm...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm'nspire-as -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c bootstrapper.Snspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c stage1.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c ints.c -o ints_light_thumb.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls.c -o syscalls_light_thumb.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c utils.c -o utils_light_thumb_os-1.7.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls-light_ncas-1.7.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls-light_cas-1.7.cnspire-ld --no-startup -nostdlib bootstrapper.o stage1.o ints_light_thumb.o syscalls_light_thumb.o utils_light_thumb_os-1.7.o syscalls-light_ncas-1.7.o syscalls-light_cas-1.7.o -o ndless_installer_os-1.7.elfc:/programme/yagarto/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.5.1/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: ndless_installer_os-1.7.elf: Unknown mandatory EABI object attribute 44c:/programme/yagarto/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.5.1/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: failed to merge target specific data of file bootstrapper.ocollect2: ld returned 1 exit statusmake[1]: *** [ndless_installer_os-1.7.elf] Error 1make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm'make: *** [subdirs] Error 1What am i doing wrong?
Juckel@JULIAN /ndless$ make distrm -rf distClearing in tools...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools'Clearing in build...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/build'cd ../../bin && rm -f nspire-gcc nspire-ld nspire-as || :make[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/build'Clearing in MakeLoader...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'rm -f ../../bin/MakeLoader.exemake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools'Clearing in libndls...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/libndls'rm -rf *.o *.elf *.arm -f ../lib/libndls.amake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/libndls'Clearing in arm...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm'rm -rf *.o *.bin *.elf *.xml *.ziprm -rf ../calcbin/ndless_installer*.tns ../calcbin/ndless_resources.tnsmake all in tests...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm/tests'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ndless_tests.tnsrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ndless_keys.tnsrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ReadMe.txtmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm/tests'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm'Clearing in samples...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples'Clearing in hella...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/hella'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/hella.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/hella'Clearing in hello...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/hello'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/hello.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/hello'Clearing in particles...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/particles'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/particles.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/particles'rm -f ../calcbin/samples/ReadMe.txtmake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples'rm -rf calcbinrm -rf bin libmkdir -p dist/srccp -r `ls | grep -v dist` dist/srcfind dist -name Makefile.config | xargs rm -rfmake all in tools...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools'make all in build...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/build'cp nspire-gcc nspire-ld nspire-as ../../binmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/build'make all in MakeLoader...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'gcc -W -Wall MakeLoader.c -o ../../bin/MakeLoader.exemake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools'make all in libndls...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/libndls'nspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c any_key_pressed.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -marm -c clear_cache.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c clrscr.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c feof.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c fgets.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c fputs.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -marm -c idle.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c isalnum.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c iscntrl.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c rewind.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c show_msgbox.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c sleep.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c strcspn.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c strspn.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c wait_key_pressed.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c wait_no_key_pressed.c"/c/Programme/yagarto/bin/arm-none-eabi-ar.exe" rcs ../lib/libndls.a any_key_pressed.o clear_cache.o clrscr.o feof.o fgets.o fputs.o idle.o isalnum.o iscntrl.o rewind.o show_msgbox.o sleep.o strcspn.o strspn.o wait_key_pressed.o wait_no_key_pressed.omake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/libndls'make all in arm...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm'nspire-as -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c bootstrapper.Snspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c stage1.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c ints.c -o ints_light_thumb.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls.c -o syscalls_light_thumb.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c utils.c -o utils_light_thumb_os-1.7.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls-light_ncas-1.7.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls-light_cas-1.7.cnspire-ld --no-startup -nostdlib bootstrapper.o stage1.o ints_light_thumb.o syscalls_light_thumb.o utils_light_thumb_os-1.7.o syscalls-light_ncas-1.7.o syscalls-light_cas-1.7.o -o ndless_installer_os-1.7.elfc:/programme/yagarto/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.5.1/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: ndless_installer_os-1.7.elf: Unknown mandatory EABI object attribute 44c:/programme/yagarto/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.5.1/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: failed to merge target specific data of file bootstrapper.ocollect2: ld returned 1 exit statusmake[1]: *** [ndless_installer_os-1.7.elf] Error 1make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm'make: *** [subdirs] Error 1
Quote from: compu on January 09, 2011, 03:47:43 pmCode: [Select]Juckel@JULIAN /ndless$ make distrm -rf distClearing in tools...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools'Clearing in build...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/build'cd ../../bin && rm -f nspire-gcc nspire-ld nspire-as || :make[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/build'Clearing in MakeLoader...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'rm -f ../../bin/MakeLoader.exemake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools'Clearing in libndls...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/libndls'rm -rf *.o *.elf *.arm -f ../lib/libndls.amake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/libndls'Clearing in arm...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm'rm -rf *.o *.bin *.elf *.xml *.ziprm -rf ../calcbin/ndless_installer*.tns ../calcbin/ndless_resources.tnsmake all in tests...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm/tests'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ndless_tests.tnsrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ndless_keys.tnsrm -f ../../calcbin/tests/ReadMe.txtmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm/tests'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm'Clearing in samples...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples'Clearing in hella...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/hella'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/hella.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/hella'Clearing in hello...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/hello'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/hello.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/hello'Clearing in particles...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/samples/particles'rm -f *.o *.elfrm -f ../../calcbin/samples/particles.tnsmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples/particles'rm -f ../calcbin/samples/ReadMe.txtmake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/samples'rm -rf calcbinrm -rf bin libmkdir -p dist/srccp -r `ls | grep -v dist` dist/srcfind dist -name Makefile.config | xargs rm -rfmake all in tools...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools'make all in build...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/build'cp nspire-gcc nspire-ld nspire-as ../../binmake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/build'make all in MakeLoader...make[2]: Entering directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'gcc -W -Wall MakeLoader.c -o ../../bin/MakeLoader.exemake[2]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools/MakeLoader'make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/tools'make all in libndls...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/libndls'nspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c any_key_pressed.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -marm -c clear_cache.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c clrscr.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c feof.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c fgets.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c fputs.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -marm -c idle.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c isalnum.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c iscntrl.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c rewind.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c show_msgbox.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c sleep.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c strcspn.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c strspn.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c wait_key_pressed.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -c wait_no_key_pressed.c"/c/Programme/yagarto/bin/arm-none-eabi-ar.exe" rcs ../lib/libndls.a any_key_pressed.o clear_cache.o clrscr.o feof.o fgets.o fputs.o idle.o isalnum.o iscntrl.o rewind.o show_msgbox.o sleep.o strcspn.o strspn.o wait_key_pressed.o wait_no_key_pressed.omake[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/libndls'make all in arm...make[1]: Entering directory `/ndless/arm'nspire-as -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c bootstrapper.Snspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c stage1.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c ints.c -o ints_light_thumb.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls.c -o syscalls_light_thumb.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c utils.c -o utils_light_thumb_os-1.7.onspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls-light_ncas-1.7.cnspire-gcc -Os -nostdlib -Wall -W -Wno-strict-aliasing -D _NDLS_LIGHT -D STAGE1 -mthumb-interwork -mthumb -D OS_VERSION=1_7 -D OS_VERSION_INT=17 -c syscalls-light_cas-1.7.cnspire-ld --no-startup -nostdlib bootstrapper.o stage1.o ints_light_thumb.o syscalls_light_thumb.o utils_light_thumb_os-1.7.o syscalls-light_ncas-1.7.o syscalls-light_cas-1.7.o -o ndless_installer_os-1.7.elfc:/programme/yagarto/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.5.1/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: ndless_installer_os-1.7.elf: Unknown mandatory EABI object attribute 44c:/programme/yagarto/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.5.1/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: failed to merge target specific data of file bootstrapper.ocollect2: ld returned 1 exit statusmake[1]: *** [ndless_installer_os-1.7.elf] Error 1make[1]: Leaving directory `/ndless/arm'make: *** [subdirs] Error 1What am i doing wrong?Sorry compu, I don't have any idea for that.Could you try if you have more luck the latest version of YAGARTO that includes GCC 4.5.2? Don't forget to replace the path in your PATH environment variable.
How did that happen??? I typed stuff at the bottom, out of the quotes, but it got cut off somehow.* fb39ca4 edits post
Speaking of respect, I think it has gone down for everyone a little, is someone spamming down ratings?Also, I'd be very happy if someone would post the compiled Ndless installer files for me so I can install it really quick.
Which of these files, exactly, is Ndless (in its uncompiled form)? I have found the Ndless readme file (https://www.unsads.com/scm/svn/nsptools/Ndless/trunk/doc/ReadMe.txt) but it does not mention its whereabouts. From the integrated browser on usads, I cannot determine which specifically it is referring to; the multitude of files contained in the Trunk becoming frustrating. Am I to assume the extensionless "makefile," featured in the root directory, is the only required file for compilation? Sorry for being a noob. I develop Visual and Quick Basic (yup, dos geek here) applications for school and home use. I merely do not know where to start in the TI World and would proudly help out with the mighty NDless. If anyone had a URL of where necessary files are located, I would greatly appreciate it. PS: I've deleted my posts regarding the status of the keyboard, which were inadvertently "offensive" to viewers . I don't want to bother with my development suggestions, I'll leave you in peace now.
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Topic: Ndless 2.0 for TI-Nspire Clickpad/Touchpad (Read 181980 times)
