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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #120 on: November 10, 2012, 01:45:55 pm »
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Please also be mindful that the older color systems with z80 hardware were not full color; hardware sprites or tiles could only have a few colors at a time.
That adds to nostalgia feelings :3
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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #121 on: November 10, 2012, 02:52:52 pm »
That's ture ralph, but we have better technology today as well. ;)
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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #122 on: November 10, 2012, 03:16:13 pm »
Please also be mindful that the older color systems with z80 hardware were not full color; hardware sprites or tiles could only have a few colors at a time.  This artifact can be easily seen in "attribute clashing" of the ZX Spectrum graphics.  In the Sega MasterSystem/GameGear and MSX, Texas Instruments' TMS9918 IC made these artifacts less apparent with the use of movable sprites. 

[I lied.  The TMS9918 does in fact have a rarely used mode that would map a single color to each pixel, but it had drawbacks in resolution.]

I assume from the picture that TI is not using a tiling method to display color on their screen.  Mapping one color per pixel is much more CPU intensive.

EDIT: Maybe not too intensive if they use a good DMA.

This reminds me of the 1995/96 Casio graphing calcs that had a color screen. The contrast settings were basically replaced with 3 color settings that were still labelled as contrast. But in fact from the lowest to highest contrast, it went from blank->yellow->orange->red->brown->purple->blue->green and there were 3 color settings. So basically, you kinda had a palette of 3 colors at a time, add to that a 4th color for the LCD background (which could range from yellow-ish to slightly orange-ish color and that could alter the 3 other colors as well). If those calcs ever had the possibility to run ASM without flashing the ROM chip, then imagine if a program could modify each contrast settings as it wishes: You could basically have games like on the NES where colors are stored in a palette, but with 4 colors at once instead of 3 and one of them which is limited to two colors.

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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #123 on: November 10, 2012, 06:14:28 pm »
I wonder how this will impact battery life?
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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #124 on: November 10, 2012, 06:18:58 pm »
I'm betting it will use a rechargeable battery (li-on) like the Nspire Touchpad and  CX models. I think they last a few hours and gets charged completely in a few hours as well (except the first time which can take like 5-6)

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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #125 on: November 10, 2012, 06:20:57 pm »
why wouldn't it use regular AAA's? the prizm does, and it has pretty good batt life. (actually, prizm allows both).



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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #126 on: November 10, 2012, 06:27:56 pm »
I'm betting it will use a rechargeable battery (li-on) like the Nspire Touchpad and  CX models. I think they last a few hours and gets charged completely in a few hours as well (except the first time which can take like 5-6)
It says it has 100 hours of battery life, and two weeks under normal usage, although I never seem to get 100 hours out of it, and since I might use my calculator 10 hours a day instead of the normal half hour, it doesn’t last me too long either.

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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #127 on: November 10, 2012, 06:29:04 pm »
By 100 hours, they include hours where you don't use the calc at all and by normal usage, I think it's one hour a day of calculations.

why wouldn't it use regular AAA's? the prizm does, and it has pretty good batt life. (actually, prizm allows both).
Because the TI-Nspire CX doesn't and there are speculations that the new 84 might be built after the Nspire CX hardware, it is likely that TI is moving towards the lithium battery world for those advanced calcs. Plus I am sure they heard a lot about people who hate having to spend $2-10 every month on new batteries. Also in my Clickpad with cheap AAA batteries, if I play gbc4nspire, my calc lasts about 10 minutes (and about 3-5 hours with good batteries that costs $10). With my CX with the built-in battery, I get about 3-5 hours of gaming before it finally runs out of power.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2012, 06:35:31 pm by DJ_O »

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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #128 on: November 10, 2012, 06:31:21 pm »
That can’t be right, that would be 4 days of battery life, which is not 2 weeks.

Plus I am sure they heard a lot about people who hate having to spend $2-10 every month on new batteries.
What I hate is that the rechargeable batteries cant be removed.

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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #129 on: November 10, 2012, 06:31:34 pm »
PRIZM batteries last 1-2 months with ~2-4hr. of usage... for me at least. Do TI calc use more battery?



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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #130 on: November 10, 2012, 06:35:31 pm »
PRIZM batteries last 1-2 months with ~2-4hr. of usage... for me at least. Do TI calc use more battery?
Its strange, but sometimes I find myself having to charge it every 1-2 days, other times I find myself recharging it every 1-2 weeks, even with near identical amounts of usage.

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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #131 on: November 10, 2012, 06:37:21 pm »
PRIZM batteries last 1-2 months with ~2-4hr. of usage... for me at least. Do TI calc use more battery?
Its strange, but sometimes I find myself having to charge it every 1-2 days, other times I find myself recharging it every 1-2 weeks, even with near identical amounts of usage.

really? maybe you have unreliable batteries?



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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #132 on: November 10, 2012, 06:38:11 pm »
When shut down, the TI-Nspire enters standby mode for a day or two before shutting off for real (in which case, restarting it brings up the booting screen), so even when  not in use, it still uses some power, which isn't the case with the PRIZM.

Also I think the battery on the Nspire can be removed, but you need a screwdriver and buy the battery online.

On my PRIZM, when I used the batteries that came with the calc, they lasted one entire year before I had to change them. With cheap batteries bought at Dollarama, they last a month or two.

The Nspire CX is kinda like mobile phones in the way that even when not used (especially the iPhone), you still lose power, while with the PRIZM and older calcs, you only lose power if you use cheap batteries and stop using the calc with the batteries in for a month or so.
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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #133 on: November 10, 2012, 06:39:13 pm »
It might just be that I think I use it the same amount of time, or possibly those will be weeks when I download more onto my calculator, and thus it recharges by computer.

Also I think the battery on the Nspire can be removed, but you need a screwdriver and buy the battery online.

Yeah it is supposed to be removable, but neither of my two nspire cx’s have had a removable battery.
With my first one, I did everything like the tutorials told me, putting a knife under it, pulling fast, ect. And finally ripped the cord.
I checked the customer service, and I think it said that it wouldn’t give a new calc if the previous one had been broken.
So I bought another one, (why didn’t I buy a Prizm? I love my cx, but why?), and later tried to remove the battery, and it still didn’t work, but then I just fixed it another way.
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Re: A new z80 calc... in color?
« Reply #134 on: November 10, 2012, 06:43:06 pm »
Yeah when you plug it on the computer, it gets recharged (or in OS 2.0.0 case, the calc can break), so that could be why.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2012, 06:43:47 pm by DJ_O »