Author Topic: Doors CS 6.0 (Read 34265 times)

Jon · « **Reply #75 on:** May 21, 2007, 01:05:00 pm »

I think people need to stop bashing shells in general. Every shell has its upsided and downsides. DCS6 is intended to be a heavy-duty, intuitive shell, that features everything you could want out of a 6 mhz z80. And it excels at that. If you just want a lightweight shell, look elsewhere, and can the bad comments. If you want a shell that only takes 1 page, then use crunchy or mirage. And if you wanna go really lightweight, go with ion, but don't bash DCS just cuz it's not fit for YOUR needs. I personally prefer mirageos, but that doesn't mean i have any problem with DCS. Both are great shells.

Delnar_Ersike · « **Reply #76 on:** May 21, 2007, 02:44:00 pm »

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QUOTE (Jon @ 21 May, 2007, 19:05)

I think people need to stop bashing shells in general. Every shell has its upsided and downsides. DCS6 is intended to be a heavy-duty, intuitive shell, that features everything you could want out of a 6 mhz z80. And it excels at that. If you just want a lightweight shell, look elsewhere, and can the bad comments. If you want a shell that only takes 1 page, then use crunchy or mirage. And if you wanna go really lightweight, go with ion, but don't bash DCS just cuz it's not fit for YOUR needs. I personally prefer mirageos, but that doesn't mean i have any problem with DCS. Both are great shells.

Heh, let me make a correction:
If you want really lightweight, do NOT use Ion. If you have used it before, you'll know why. Sure, the program takes up only ~500 bytes, but what the readme doesn't say is that if you install it, it will reduce your RAM from 24kb to 22kb. The only way to restore the 2kb lost RAM is to RAM clear, but then you've uninstalled Ion! Bottom line: whatever you do, don't choose Ion. Even if you have a normal 83, it's easier and better if you go with an Ion-compatible shell.

As for which one of the shells (Crunchy, Mirage, or DCS) is better, all I can say is that all 3 or on my calc with all hooks enabled...along with Omnicalc and xLib! -.-

Netham45 · « **Reply #77 on:** May 21, 2007, 05:15:00 pm »

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As for which one of the shells (Crunchy, Mirage, or DCS) is better, all I can say is that all 3 or on my calc with all hooks enabled...along with Omnicalc and xLib! -.-

Your Crazy.

Also, didn't Brandon put the link up to the MSD8x thing? That is a bit different than this. Anyone could of done Doors CS if they tried and put forward enough effort. But the USB stuff is, imo, rather remarkable. Also, correct me if I am wrong, Im not 100% sure, but hasn't Kerm Digged a bunch of other programs too?

Also, the main reason I don't like DCS is that it is slow. Personally, I think the libraries and such are kinda cool, but the program is just slow to use(even with TabSE or whatever it is called) on there, all of the programs on the screen clutter it. It should only display a file if it 1)has a header(ASM or BASIC) or 2) recognizes the format and can run a program to use the file.

bfr · « **Reply #78 on:** May 22, 2007, 10:33:00 am »

Now I (seriously) know that I am not the only person with DoorsCS, MirageOS, and CrunchyOS on my calculator (TI-84+ SE, plenty of Flash ROM)!

Although I don't know much about Digg, its policies, and etiquette there, as long as the project is something that is reasonably important, Kerm, although it might have been better if he didn't, adding his own article to Digg doesn't seem too bad to me. How many shells are there? Aren't shells one of the most common programs to have on a calculator (as many games depend on them)? How many other shells have a mouse, a GUI library, and a computer-like interface? This seems pretty unique to me, and although all of these features may not be necessary or you may not like them, Kerm posting his own Digg article about his own shell doesn't seem to unreasonable to me, especially compared to some of the other articles I have seen before.

Speler · « **Reply #79 on:** May 22, 2007, 10:43:00 am »

Hmm, I heard there's been alot of problems with MOS and DCS on the same calculator.

dinhotheone · « **Reply #80 on:** May 22, 2007, 12:19:00 pm »

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QUOTE (Delnar_Ersike @ 21 May, 2007, 18:44)

As for which one of the shells (Crunchy, Mirage, or DCS) is better, all I can say is that all 3 or on my calc with all hooks enabled...along with Omnicalc and xLib! -.-

Your Crazy.

Also, didn't Brandon put the link up to the MSD8x thing? That is a bit different than this. Anyone could of done Doors CS if they tried and put forward enough effort. But the USB stuff is, imo, rather remarkable. Also, correct me if I am wrong, Im not 100% sure, but hasn't Kerm Digged a bunch of other programs too?

Also, the main reason I don't like DCS is that it is slow. Personally, I think the libraries and such are kinda cool, but the program is just slow to use(even with TabSE or whatever it is called) on there, all of the programs on the screen clutter it. It should only display a file if it 1)has a header(ASM or BASIC) or 2) recognizes the format and can run a program to use the file.

cmon, not to chose sides but saying anyone could make dcs if they put in the effort is like me saying that anyone could make MSD8x if they figured out how to do it.

Halifax · « **Reply #81 on:** May 22, 2007, 02:17:00 pm »

Let me just say this. Anyone if they have the time, dedication, resources, and research can make anything they want to. Let's say I wanted to make a driver for a LED light that uses the USB or something like that. I would take apart how I would have to do this. What bytes it needs to turn on the LEDs, how to send them, what ports to use, power supply, circuit design, data size, and everything in between, Then I would start programming. Really anyone can do that if they obtain the knowledge. The thing the seperates the great from the good is the person that does that in 3 weeks and the other person who finishes that in 3 years. I am absolutely sure that any suffcient asm programmer with knowledge of how USB works and some research would be able to make it, but the dedication of BrandonW is what makes it great. It didn't take him 20 years to finish like it probaly would for me. That's all I have to say.

DCS is most definetly not easy to make. Maybe you should take a look at the source.

KermMartian · « **Reply #82 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:23:00 am »

Bite my >100,000 lines of code.

Then tell me the 2,500+ hours I've put into it over the years are easy.

Delnar_Ersike · « **Reply #83 on:** May 23, 2007, 11:59:00 am »

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Bite my >100,000 lines of code.

Then tell me the 2,500+ hours I've put into it over the years are easy.

Hehe, I bet if you removed all the extra eyecandies, you would have to work with ~10,000 less lines of code (if you get my hidden suggestion

). I still want an option of a list interface, since it would work much faster than the mouse interface.

Oh, and about me being crazy, I want to add something to my previous statement: They all work and have never crashed! :psycho:

Well, except for the mystical DCS6 "crash" screen, but it is a crash screen in name only, you'll see what I mean if you ever get it.

Halifax · « **Reply #84 on:** May 23, 2007, 12:28:00 pm »

Haha that crash screen isn't in the name after "you know what I mean" it actually does crash. So it is a costly ****** *** and I didn't think it would really reset my ram.

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #85 on:** May 27, 2007, 06:56:00 am »

come on guys, are you really 13+ years old? Please act like it. No need to call others crazy just for a shell or bring up an argument that was solved 6 pages ago

Besides, if somebody moved this topic in the news section, there is a reason, right? (this wasn't me btw)

EDIT: I think jon summed this up in the post at top of page

I don't want to have to lock this topic because there is interesting discussion going on in it (and updates)

Halifax · « **Reply #86 on:** May 27, 2007, 08:35:00 am »

Just to clear this up. He wasn't calling him crazy for the shell it was just that Delnar said he has Crunchy, MOS, and DCS all running with hooks(which I thought was impossible). It wasn't because of DCS that Netham called him crazy.

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #87 on:** May 27, 2007, 09:14:00 am »

I know, but i was talking about the entire topic in overall, people bringning back the digg argument which was alerady discussed in the first page of the topic and such things I don't like to happen on the forums, mostly bashing freeware stuff ppl didn't got paid for.

I mean, if kerm got paid to make DCS and is gonna sell it, then I understand he should make it much more useful than any other shells out there, but now he do this for free and spent lot of his free time into it

dinhotheone · « **Reply #88 on:** May 27, 2007, 03:40:00 pm »

is there a way to transfer docDe files to word/notepad files? ifso could you tell me? ifnot, a great addition to docde would be way to change noteppad files to docde, thisway i could store readme's and stuff on my calc without having to survive the overly-slow process of manually typing all that in. (if there is already a way to do this, i'd love to know how)

edit: well i managed to figure out what was going on when i opened it with notepad but i couldnt manage to send and edited notepad file back to my calc, i got an err: invalid/corrupt error when using ti connect, so if anyone knows how to get around this...

Halifax · « **Reply #89 on:** May 27, 2007, 05:25:00 pm »

Yes there is a way. I forget the link to where to do it, but you send the docDE document to your computer and then you put it into the converter and then it spits out a .txt of it.