Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 06, 2005, 03:06:00 am
| QUOTE |
| It is my profound displeasure to have to announce that the blight on the TI programming community know as Hays Games has once again poked its head out of the ugly mess of their swamp of stolen code. As Frydsoft put it here, "Hays Games Co. is the echelon of everything that is bad about the Ti-Community. they lie, they cheat, they steal. they do it all. they like to make enormous claims about their software when they know that it is crap. They also have a thing for bashing top programmers in the Ti community, such as Bill Nagel, Joe Wingbermuehle, and countless others, and spread Propaganda all over the place accusing them of everything they do, and more. But their biggest thing that they are known for, is their code stealing. These people take Code stealing to an unbelievable level. They steal code from websites, and will steal entire programs, label it as their own, and then proceed to proclaim how great their program is vs the same programs they stole from." This group has repeatedly been shut down by ticalc.org, Geocities, and many other hosting and archiving sites, only to reappear in another annoying form. Please see for youself - gee, that "Doorways" logo looks awfully familiar - here: http://www.geocities.com/haysgames/. Also please sign the petition to help get rid of them here: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/nohays. If we can get 100 signatures, they say they will disappear. Please help with this community project. |
info on what is hays can be found here:
http://fryedsoft.calc.org/rants/hays.htm
I dont care much but I signed the petition anyway, that way if enough ppl sign we dont risk of seeing a BASIC remake of Destiny Realm or a clone of Zilak with another title come out copyrighted by Hays
Post by: Fryedsoft on July 06, 2005, 08:01:00 am
Now to see if it breaks 300
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 06, 2005, 08:27:00 am
at 300 they will reveal the entire truth to the TI community :laugh:
Post by: Guest on July 06, 2005, 08:50:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 06, 2005, 09:19:00 am
Post by: alex10819 on July 06, 2005, 10:53:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 06, 2005, 12:31:00 pm
Post by: tifreak on July 06, 2005, 12:37:00 pm
And there is nothing on their site yet, but who is to say that they won't just restart as another company name...?
BTW, how old are these guys now? I mean, think of it. Ed was bashing them, and by what I gather they were in highschool then... I wonder if this isn't a different band of people from the same school or something... <_<
If it is the same people, they are just retarted...
*suddenly has stange urge to go play FFVII on ps...*
Post by: Fryedsoft on July 06, 2005, 02:43:00 pm
QuoteBegin-The GOD Guestbook Chronicle+-->
| QUOTE (The GOD Guestbook Chronicle) |
| Record 24 Name: GOD Website: Heaven: The Alternative Afterlife Referred by: From AngelFire From: Heaven Time: 1998-05-29 01:52:52 Comments: HOW DARE YOU USE MY NAME IN VAIN!!! YOU WILL BURN A THOUSAND TIMES IN HELL FOR YOUR BLASTPHEMY!!! |
As for the "Secret" it's probably something we've heard before. I bet it sounds something like this, albeit more up to date.
QuoteBegin-Mike Smith in Hays Games Co. Admits Defeat in the A83 mailinglist 23 Jun 1999+
| QUOTE (Mike Smith in Hays Games Co. Admits Defeat in the A83 mailinglist 23 Jun 1999) |
| It all started in a yahoo chat room, four of us were chatting and found out we each had Ti83's and we wanted to use them to make money, so we founded the Hays Games Company. Our plan was to make it so that Hays Games Company owned all the archives and programs, and charged a small $1 per month and we would just send you upgrades to your software. There were some problems however, and Bill Nagel to us was the main one. We were going to monopolise the Ti83 using these steps: 1. Get rid of Bill Nagel (at all costs) 2. Get on one ti sites good side 3. Release quantity over quality 4. Programmeral Diffusion of major OS 5. Release new Doorways with 50+ programs at once 6. Charge money for program upgrades. We got as far as to step four, until something went wrong, Bryan Rabeler found out about our copies and deleted all of them. This was our first major set back. Then along came the New Programmers Order, which was founded by Chuck Taylor, one of our former members. Soon we had more enemies then we could handle, and had to hide out for awhile. We started a new company called Ellis Industries as a front to our operations while anti-hays died down a bit. Then we came back, but the NPO had allied itself with a group called Z8-AC and took over our homepage. After we made our new homepage, Kirk Meyer informed us that ticalc.org, the last site to hold Hays Games Co. Programs, has deleted all of our software and will not accept it anymore. We then knew we would never get further then step 3 in our plan for a Ti83 monopoly. The folowing is a list of games we have copied: Championship Bowling - Fella Bowling NBA Jam - NBA Hangtime Baseball - Major League Baseball '98 Jackoff - Batman and Robin's MOM? ZTetris - Tetris Gold Duckhunt - Duckhunt 83 All Star Baseball - All Star Baseball '99 Race IV- San Francisco V: Extreme Driving, San Francisco V, Rush the Rock, San Francisco V: Rushin' in Russia, San Francisco V: Turbo, San Francisco V: Nitro Screensaver 83: Hays Plus Screen Saver ZCon83: Hays Plus Contrast Changer |
and for fun, because i'm bored and it's probably never going to see the light of day outside of this post...
QuoteBegin-nPo Vs Hays 2: Something Survived Storyline Teaser+
| QUOTE (nPo Vs Hays 2: Something Survived Storyline Teaser) |
| The nPo thought that the Hays game company was no more after the last confrontation that they had with them. unfortunatly they were wrong. somehow, Some members of the Hays Game Co. survived and sought to rebuild their evil syndicate. Over time, and under many guises, they had built a Stonger, more powerful organization, bent on not only Destroying the Ti community or the nPo, but conquest of the Entire world! The androids have gotten completely upgraded as well, the older, weaker bots have been replaced with more sophisticated ones, namely the deadly New NineBot, The unspeakable Fellabot, the guardian bouncer doorwaysbot, and the ultra destructive PacManson. But thats not the worst of it, The hays Game Co. have the ultimate weapon at their disposal, the Programmeral Diffusor! Created by the President of Hays himself, the Programmeral Diffusor, If activated, will cause every Program in the Ti-community to become Hays programs! If the machine is activated, the Entire Ti community will be lost! Fortunatly, for the nPo, the Programmeral Diffusor hasn't been completed yet, Just one part is missing that will make it complete. The ION cannon. Created by renowned nPo Scientist Dr. Joewing, and in the possession of the nPo, the ION cannon was designed to be the ultimate weapon to Destroy Hays and ironicially is the only power source on earth that can generate enough power for the Programmeral Diffusor. Luckily the nPo found out about the Programmeral Diffusor and obtained information that Hays will be trying to claim the Cannon tonight, and have increased security around the ION Cannon, but will it hold against this New, More threatening Hays? Thats where you come in. You are the Newest recruit in the nPo. You hate what Hays stands for and want to see them destroyed as much as the higher ups do. You have been put in charge as your first assignment to protect the ION cannon at all costs. You know that it's a big task, especially considering the consequences if you fail. Total World domination by Hays. |
Hey, now that I think about it, posting all of this will probably get me some kind of hall of shame award. The Certified Psychopath of the Century has a nice ring to it. ;)
Post by: tifreak on July 06, 2005, 11:14:00 pm
Post by: Fryedsoft on July 07, 2005, 07:03:00 am
Post by: mdjenkins86 on July 07, 2005, 07:09:00 am
THis is why I have been a little hesitant about posting my personal code because I don't want people to steal it.
To avoid this I will use xlib for the 89 to compress my files, and then I will use Flib to qroup it. My 500 plus file app will be condensed into 3 or 4 files. I may even make a launcher in C to make it next to impossible to crack without know exactly how it is constructed. To fortify this I will disable the "ON" breaker.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 07, 2005, 12:35:00 pm
| QUOTE |
| xlib for the 89 |
O_O
I guess this is another kind of xLIB than the one we have on the 83+
I guess this is another kind of xLIB than the one we have on the 83+
Post by: Fryedsoft on July 07, 2005, 12:55:00 pm
I don't think that edit locking code is the answer, since many of the techniques can be hacked and it doesn't help anyone learning to code, but a community that highly discourages code ripoff is the next best thing, and Hays is a shining example of what should happen when entire programs are blatantly ripped off and pawned off as original programs. I mean what would happen if you blatantly ripped off Linux and called it Winux and give no credit to Linus Torvalds? Slashdot would be lighting the torches, sharpening the pitchforks and tying the nooses is what would happen.
I'm expecting their answer to be "it's a joke" Frankly there was a lot of joke Ti sites out there (Psychocorp comes to mind almost immediately). The difference though was that the group that did it (sicode I believe) didn't blatantly rip off entire code from other programs, pontificate it as the second coming while bashing the original author in the process, then Publish it on major Ti sites as their own original work. I'm not saying that hays was the only one that ripped off games, (look at the racing clones alone for the 83) but they were by far the most vocal, blatant and disrespectable of the rest out there.
So to summarize:
Open Source = Good Thing
Using Source for your game while giving Credit to original coder = Good thing
Using Source for your game with no credit to the original coder = Bad thing
Using Source for your game while bashing the original coder = Worse thing / Hays
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 07, 2005, 02:20:00 pm
)Back on topic, now that they said they would reveal the truth even if the petition wont reach 300 signatures I am curious about what will happen then :D
Post by: Drak on July 07, 2005, 10:39:00 pm
Hays fucking sucks.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 08, 2005, 02:40:00 am
they now tell the "truth" of what was Hays Game Company
some part were funny to read :D
Post by: alex10819 on July 08, 2005, 03:52:00 am
Post by: tifreak on July 08, 2005, 08:17:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 09, 2005, 12:27:00 pm
Post by: arti on July 09, 2005, 02:13:00 pm
| QUOTE (tifreak8x @ July 8, 2005, 15:17) |
| I found it barely entertaining... <_< |
Take it easy, enjoy life :laugh:
Post by: Fryedsoft on July 09, 2005, 05:59:00 pm
Generally speaking, I found it interesting is some places. I'm amazed they Got "Columbined" by their school. When I hear things like that It makes me glad I graduated in 96. Like I've said before, if Columbine happened while we were in school, I probably wouldn't be posting this here right now. Either would Hiryu. The KCHS punisher would have put us away for a while. The game alone was probably a good two years shrink duty let alone the comic. In fact, nothing from the KCHS would pass the "Mike Wallace" test.
I also find it funny they pontificate ti-files so much. Ill give you one guess who flooded their guestbook and got them "Geonuked" 3 times. Here's a hint, it wasn't me, ticalc.org or calc.org. To this day I'm amazed Rabeler didn't go to ti-files and join Maddox, Nagel and Highsmith. he would have been right at home at A-Hole central.
Speaking of Rabeler, On the Meyer archive trolling, I'm not going to say that the ticalc.org archive quality went up when Rabeler was kicked from ticalc.org. Rabeler was an A-Hole but he did at least run a tight archive. I don't think ticalc.org will ever have an archive staffer to remotely equal Rabeler, but I don't blame them for canning him. He loved stirring the outhouse too much. Regardless, they didn't need to start testing the waters to see if Meyer was any good. My guess is Rabeler put them up to it because that's what he enjoyed doing, stirring the outhouse.
They said I didn't know that they were the nPo. Again, on the hays site they would have white text on their site that said "The nPo and the Hays Games co. are the same thing". I believed that it was a lie at the time, but It's a lot of the reasons I never directly associated with the nPo just in case. I always looked at the nPo in such a way that even if they did create it, they basically created a monster they were losing control of fast. A ton of people were claiming to be nPo members at the time, and I can bet that most of them wanted Hays dead and weren't insiders.
I think they got their dates messed up. Either that or I never noticed NBA hangtime Pre GOD. If they targeted NBAJam that early, nPo vs Hays would have been out a lot sooner, if not something worse. Hiryu was practically waiting for them to pirate one of his games. I don't know what he would have done, but imagine something from the mind that made the KCHS Punisher after you pissed him off. (For the Uninitiated, in the comic, Some of the methods used by the KCHS Punisher in his constant clone extermination were Chainsaws, flame throwers, his arm blade, the "Bible Bonfire", Explosive devices on a wheelchair after gluing the wheelchair to the floor, A swift kick to the head (kicked the Dean Clone's head through the Basketball hoop in the gym). and the always satisfying blade menace to the chest. The Game was a tabby cat vs. the hungry pack of Leopards that was the comic.)
Overall, Not too much surprising stuff, but interesting stuff nonetheless.
New sig image. It might remind you of something...
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 10, 2005, 12:26:00 pm
| QUOTE (Fryedsoft @ July 10, 2005, 00:59) |
| New sig image. It might remind you of something... |
nope, I just see a building, nicely converted to grayscale tho
Post by: tifreak on July 11, 2005, 02:27:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 11, 2005, 02:48:00 am
Post by: tifreak on July 11, 2005, 02:56:00 am
Post by: Fryedsoft on July 11, 2005, 11:41:00 am
Most likely if nPo vs. Hays 2 ever got made, since it would have been on the 89 this would probably have been the image of the building I would have used but bigger to fit the 89 screen.
Post by: tifreak on July 11, 2005, 11:54:00 am
Post by: arti on July 11, 2005, 01:32:00 pm
| QUOTE (tifreak8x @ July 11, 2005, 18:54) |
| One of these days I shall learn 89 basic... <_< |
And I shall begin writing that goddamn tutorial. It's just that I have a lot of work to do for a client, and I'm also working on learning C. :(
Because I'd really like to play TI-City on my 89 :)
Post by: tifreak on July 12, 2005, 01:49:00 am
I meant that once I get caught up with my projects, I will mess around with the code more and try to learn like I did for the 83 series... And prolly after a few hours, start doing this: :paf:
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 12, 2005, 03:12:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 11, 2005, 11:50:00 am
(after reading Kerm Martian forums)
...
O_O
guess what?
http://geocities.com/haysgames/
>---- O_O
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Post by: CDI on August 11, 2005, 03:44:00 pm
JUST IGNORE THOSE F***ING PIECES OF S*** ON THE F***ING SIDEWALK!!!! :dang:
:dang::dang::dang: OKAY?!?!?!?!?!?!? IF YOU IGNORE AND BAN THEM WITHOUT TELLING THEM THEY WILL REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE LOST AND WILL NEVER WIN!!!
:dang::dang::dang: OKAY?!?!?!?!?!?!? IF YOU IGNORE AND BAN THEM WITHOUT TELLING THEM THEY WILL REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE LOST AND WILL NEVER WIN!!!Now that I have that said... I'll try to refrain from that in the future... *note to Kevin* please DO NOT edit this post, as to inform people how I feel about this subject... */note*
Post by: crzyrbl on August 11, 2005, 04:13:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 12, 2005, 02:13:00 am
Post by: tifreak on August 12, 2005, 07:17:00 am
Post by: Fryedsoft on August 12, 2005, 02:04:00 pm
| QUOTE (Kevin @ 12 August 2005, 9:13) |
| altough I am curious about what they will come out with and do this time :) |
The same thing they do every night Kevin. Try to Take over the Ti Community.
NARF! :)
Post by: crzyrbl on August 12, 2005, 05:36:00 pm
Post by: CDI on August 12, 2005, 05:50:00 pm
Post by: Master Jc on August 13, 2005, 12:19:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 13, 2005, 01:33:00 am
...
:crazy:
LOL FryedSoft your signature
ROFLMAO :bounce:
:rofl:
Post by: Fryedsoft on August 13, 2005, 04:59:00 am
As Much as stealing Doorways code and calling it something else would be fun, it's stooping down to their level and thats something I don't encourage. And this is coming from someone who basicially Plagerized himself in order to take a swipe at them. Now that I think about it, I do have hit #1000 on their site. They still owe me the doorways code :)
Post by: tifreak on August 13, 2005, 10:37:00 am
Has anyone seen their new banner??? O_O
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 13, 2005, 11:59:00 am
cool pic though B)
Post by: crzyrbl on August 13, 2005, 12:04:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 13, 2005, 12:15:00 pm
I dont like to alter my post count though otherwise I would have 7000+ posts right now (odd to see that I have 200% of the total forum posts in my profile :? )
Post by: Master Jc on August 13, 2005, 12:29:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 13, 2005, 12:56:00 pm
well I try to not post fake news too often, more like one every month, otherwise this would end up in a fake news fest. I think ticalc.org didnt posted any for months actually.
Post by: the_unknown_one on August 15, 2005, 01:28:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 15, 2005, 03:18:00 am
back on topic I am really curious about what will hays do this time, sometimes they are funny, as long as they wont do anything bad (then we sue them :evil:
), the only reason why I singed the petition was not because I hated them that much its because I couldnt wait to see what they would do by reaching enough singatures
Post by: the_unknown_one on August 19, 2005, 10:03:00 pm
Post by: alex10819 on August 20, 2005, 05:30:00 am
Post by: CDI on August 20, 2005, 05:34:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 21, 2005, 01:00:00 pm
Post by: the_unknown_one on August 21, 2005, 10:24:00 pm
Post by: crzyrbl on August 22, 2005, 02:55:00 am
| QUOTE (CDI @ 20 August 2005, 11:34) |
| Anyone ever wonder if that wasn't the "real" hays, just some punk kid? |
wtf? thats what i said... <_<
Post by: alex10819 on August 23, 2005, 06:15:00 am