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Title: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 18, 2010, 02:57:45 pm
ExtendeD has started to post the source code of Ndless 2.0 alpha online, for developers. It currently only supports non-CAS calculators and you must compile it yourself. It is not very stable, so you use it at your own risk! However, if you are a TI-Nspire developer and want to test Ndless 2.0 to report bugs, more information on where to download it can be found in the first post of the Ndless 2.0 topic (http://ourl.ca/8160).
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: willrandship on December 19, 2010, 12:56:06 am
I was excited, then saw alpha :( Still pretty excited ;D but then I saw non-CAS only :( I hope that's only because it's alpha....

Will this one behave like 1.7/1.4 and require a reinstall on each boot? If so, it's time to whip up a battery pack I can have my nspire "connected" to. XD Hey, it works if you connect something else to it with the nspire as the host!
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 19, 2010, 01:43:10 am
Yeah I think he's still figuring out how to get it to work on CAS.

Also I thought the 1.7 reinstall issue was fixed? O.O
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: ExtendeD on December 19, 2010, 06:30:08 am
Getting it to work on CAS is just a matter of time.
Connecting the TI-Nspire during installation is not required anymore since Ndless v1.7.
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: miotatsu on December 19, 2010, 08:19:50 am
this is pretty exciting! I haven't had much use for my nspire since I bought it because of the power bug thing, I will probably wait to try 2.0 with ndless when a stable release is out though. I currently don't have any plans to develop for the nspire :P
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: Munchor on December 19, 2010, 11:24:54 am
this is pretty exciting! I haven't had much use for my nspire since I bought it because of the power bug thing, I will probably wait to try 2.0 with ndless when a stable release is out though. I currently don't have any plans to develop for the nspire :P

it is really great!

I may have done something wrong, but it crashed my touchpad :S (OS 2.1)
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: ExtendeD on December 19, 2010, 11:28:24 am
OS 2.1 is currently not supported.
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: Snake X on December 19, 2010, 11:32:09 am
will TI be able to see the source? :s
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 19, 2010, 11:50:46 am
THey've been able to for half a year, now, except with Ndless 1.7 instead of 2.0. I bet they would have done something by then. Maybe they will, but at least OS 2.0.1 is still available on their site and the Touchpad works on OS 2.0.
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: Snake X on December 19, 2010, 11:55:35 am
but i thought we were supposed to keep ti from seeing our secrets so they cant learn from them?  ???
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: ExtendeD on December 19, 2010, 12:10:57 pm
Let me explain this choice. When Ndless was first released we could either:

- Not share the source code, and wrongly believe that the inner working was protected against their eyes (trust me, if we aren't afraid of diving into 9 MB of raw OS code, the reverse is also true)
- Open Source Ndless and make its development scalable and of higher quality (with peer review, source-level debugging and contibutions through patches).
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: Snake X on December 19, 2010, 12:12:29 pm
mhmm... I see now.
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: fb39ca4 on December 21, 2010, 10:17:46 am
Things like openSSH are secure, even though they're open source. TI even uses openSSH in the nspire.
Title: Re: Ndless 2.0 alpha testing begins for developers
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 21, 2010, 04:04:07 pm
Yeah if they want to, even if the source is not available, they can simply get it by disassembling the files. It will be harder to read if there are no comments, but if they're "good" at it, they may be able to patch security flaws. In other words, it's best I think to just release the source. That way more people can help.