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New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« on: January 25, 2013, 02:12:09 pm »
Do you know the TI-82 Stats?

In several countries it's been the TI graphing calculators 1st price since 2004.
The TI-82 Stats is just a basic TI-83. It includes the latest TI-83 Parcus hardware from 2001 and runs the latest 1.10001 basic TI-83 ROM.
It's probably been named this way in order to avoid confusion with the new TI-83+ in those countries.



In France in 2006, the TI-82 Stats was replaced with the TI-82 Stats.fr.
But the hardware was completely different: it wasn't a basic TI-83 hardware anymore, but a TI-83+ hardware, slightly modified in order to run basic TI-83 ROMs.
The included 1.11fr7 ROM had been translated to french.

In 2009, the TI-82 Stats.fr was redesigned in black but kept the same ROM and hardware.



In Germany, since back to school 2012, we've now got a new TI-82 Stats redesigned in black too:

We're wondering if it's still based on the basic TI-83 hardware, of if they moved to the modified TI-83+ hardware from the TI-82 Stats.fr, and if they've used a new ROM version or not.
But of course, the specifications are the sames as the basic TI-83.



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http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11166&lang=en
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2013, 02:59:58 pm »
Hmm, interesting.
Perhaps it's an 83+SE this time? :P
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2013, 04:54:26 pm »
I saw the 2009 one before but I didn't realize the 82 Stats would be redesigned too, especially considering it was discontinued in many countries. I wonder if it will feature 83+ hardware so that we can do the same thing as the FX-9750G to 9860G?
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2013, 05:08:52 pm »
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I wonder if it will feature 83+ hardware so that we can do the same thing as the FX-9750G to 9860G?

What do you mean ?
The TI-82 stats.fr have a 83plus-like hardware and nobody did anything with it...
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2013, 05:12:41 pm »
Quote from: DJ_O on January 25, 2013, 04:54:26 pm
I wonder if it will feature 83+ hardware so that we can do the same thing as the FX-9750G to 9860G?

The TI-76.fr & TI-82 Stats.fr feature 83+ hardware too, but nobody has managed to turn them into real TI-83+ yet.
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2013, 05:17:57 pm »
Well, didn't such thing require modifying the hardware, still? I was sure that the 76 and 82 Stats.Fr was close to the 83+ hardware but that something in it prevented it from being converted into a 83+ (eg it would have required a small hardware modification or something) ???

Otherwise, what is preventing such thing from happening when we did it fine with the 9750GII?

And yes persalteas I meant that it was possible to flash your FX-9750GII so that it becomes a 9860G (although it doesn't work with newer models). By the way, to clear up any confusion, the FX-9750GII is actually the Graph 35+ USB in North America and the 9860G is the Graph 85.
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 05:22:10 pm »
This "something" would probably be kept with the new 82 stats.
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2013, 05:29:39 pm »
I wonder if it's just a protection against the conversion of the lower-end calcs into higher-end ones? (especially now that people managed to do it with the TI-73 and TI-Nspire)
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 05:35:04 pm »
The TI-82 Stats.fr & TI-76.fr Flash ROMs have a grounded pin which physically limits you to the first 256KB , preventing you from accessing the whole 512KB Flash.


But even after modifying that, no Boot Code menu can be triggered with DEL+ON.
So we couldn't find a way to reflash the OS (the basic TI-83 OS is not designed to receive any OS).

And as the ROM only includes a basic TI-83 OS, you can't address more than 256KB in assembly, and there is no instruction/port to rewrite a Flash page.


The difference with the Casio Graph 35+USB / fx-9750Gii is that we were able to trigger the Boot Code install OS menu.
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 05:39:04 pm »
Ah ok thanks for the info. I remembered something about a pin or something, but I forgot what it involved and what it did. I am betting this was added in order to prevent a TI-82 Stats.Fr->TI-83+ conversion or whatever. But if that is not the case, then maybe TI might decide to make it easier to produce calcs by using only 1 hardware for all the low-end models rather than having to keep in touch with 2 similar but different hardware?
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 06:21:44 pm »
wouldn't you rather by an 83+ or an 84+ over that one? What is the sence in making new versions of it then?
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 09:20:54 pm »
The idea is to provide people a cheaper alternative. Maybe they wouldn't be willing to spend on a TI-83+, but if the price were a little less (what the 82-stats is) they would.
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 09:43:32 pm »
Yeah, it's kinda like the TI-73 in USA. But in France you got two lower end alternatives to the 83+. I am sure it has to do with higher prices in Europe or fierce competition from Casio and maybe people having less money in overall though.
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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2013, 12:55:07 am »
Dude!!! That is one sweet looking calculator.

Finally... a calculator that actually looks better than my HW1 TI-89.

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Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2013, 02:32:46 am »
It does have a really nice color scheme. ^^
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