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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #255 on: July 23, 2010, 12:01:04 pm »
@qazz42: Depends. AFAIK, there's no need for keys, although the community is trying to crack them.
There's already an importable library without ndless being needed. :)
ALSO - if Ndless2 does become a reality, the unreleased RunOS can run the community CAS OS.
Even better - some form of Linux! ;) (With a decent GUI hopefully)
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #256 on: July 23, 2010, 01:09:48 pm »
Depending on how things work out, we may be able to replace the diagnostic menu with our own code. We could have a "hidden OS" that potentially has a CAS.

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #257 on: July 23, 2010, 08:39:04 pm »
Nope, the diagnostic menu is signed, too.
TI is not that stupid :(

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #258 on: July 29, 2010, 04:06:26 pm »
Err, no, sorry DJ, I deleted my facebook 14 days before 2.1 came out, I deleted by myself, some of the friend requests that I accepted would not look goood if I applied for a job. :/


Heheh Funny, my FB's deletion was finally processed and executed on the day of OS 2.1
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Also it would be cool to eventually see Linux come out for the Nspire. I think something with a GUI like Ubuntu and something with command prompt only style or just simple stuff would be a good idea. Hopefully, for now, maybe people will find an exploit allowing Ndless on newer OSes, though, so people won't have to write an entire new OS

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #259 on: July 29, 2010, 04:51:32 pm »
If linux does come out, it'll probably be just command-line. Programs will have to have their GUI built in. It would just be too hard to port programs with guis meant for computers.

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #260 on: July 29, 2010, 09:22:13 pm »
I hope it comes out with a good user-friendly or links to user-friendly tutorials, though, for people who are not tech-savy with computers. On the 83+, there's another nice language besides Axe Parser available, but almost nobody use it because the editor is not user-friendly enough. User-friendliness is the key for a calc software to be popular, I think.

The commands to do stuff would need to be simple, same for navigating through directories.

That said command prompt would be nice because it would be much smaller

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #261 on: July 29, 2010, 10:23:42 pm »
Hmm, do you mean BBCbasic? I heard of that.... not the most popular thing

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #262 on: July 29, 2010, 10:25:00 pm »
Yeah I meant BBC Basic by Benryves. Apparently it's pretty good, even if not as fast as Axe, but the program editor threw people away, especially people who wanted BBC Basic to program on calc like in BASIC

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #263 on: July 30, 2010, 02:22:44 am »
Yeah, the learning curve on BBC Basic's editor was a bit steep :(
Its a nice language, just overshadowed by Axe.

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #264 on: July 30, 2010, 02:38:51 am »
Someone should probably make a new on-calc editor for BBC Basic. It would give one more option for calc programmers

Some people will tell me "Why not just code on the PC editor instead?" Well, a bunch of BASIC coders prefer coding on-calc, being able to do so at school too. There are reasons why languages like TI-Power Gold and EZAsm did not got as popular as Axe years ago, even if BASIC programmers wanted an easier but faster language. It's not because they are too hard. They are hard, but much easier to learn than ASM. A lot of the language looks like hi level languages. I am sure the lack of on-calc programmability is there for something. As for BBC Basic and Fast RPL, the fact the gamer need to use 50+ KB of archive for the interpreter didn't help either.

Axe was pretty much the perfect thing for programmers and I have been waiting for such language for 9 years.

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #265 on: July 30, 2010, 02:43:13 am »
Benryves was talking about writing a tokenizer for Document DE files a long time ago on Maxcoderz.
BBC Basic is also slower than Axe, unfortunately. However, it makes up for it by being a lot more user-friendly (Axe is limited to available tokens,which hurts its usability). It is also nearly compatible with the many BASIC dialects from the 70's and 80's, making it a lot easier to port programs.

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #266 on: July 30, 2010, 02:50:03 am »
Yeah the slower speed is most likely due to the fact it's interpreted. I find Axe quite user-friendly, though. It might be due to how I am used to typing token-based commands like in 83+ BASIC, though. Also Quigibo added a new feature that renames certain tokens when editing Axe programs (they're reverted to their original name when exiting the BASIC editor or removing the Axe header) to allow himself to use more tokens without having to use weird ones. Example: SinReg token was renamed to Freq(, Plot1 to Pt-Mask( (masked sprites), ref( and rref( were renamed to Rect( and RectI(, respectively (rectangle routines) and many more. Most older commands kept the BASIC name, though, to not confuse people who were used to Axe for several months. I think Quigibo did a pretty good job at the language. That said, Ben did a good job at BBC Basic too.

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #267 on: July 30, 2010, 02:53:07 am »
Yeah, given the limited editor capabilities, Axe is excellent.
I wonder if Builderboy will finish his BASIC editor.

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #268 on: July 30, 2010, 02:57:30 am »
Somehow I kinda like the editor, though. I guess it might be because I got used to it for so long. People most likely like it due to that, too, so when you put them on a new fancy editor, they might have trouble getting used to it. The only issue I got with the BASIC editor is how it scroll all the way to the error when there's a bug. It takes a long while. Also the CLEAR key deleting an entire line, sometimes causing major data loss. Besides that I think it does the job. It depends of opinions, though. You may dislike it while others might not.

As for Builderboy BASIC editor, I'm not sure, I haven't heard much about it in a while.

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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #269 on: July 30, 2010, 08:16:17 am »
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If linux does come out, it'll probably be just command-line. Programs will have to have their GUI built in. It would just be too hard to port programs with guis meant for computers.
Not necessarily: Linux does support framebuffers, and we can use (or write) toolkits on top of that.
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