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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #240 on: July 23, 2010, 10:21:03 am »
Sure, we shall not expect anyone work on full time but at least keeping it minimally active to release updates after some months.
Although sometimes is impossible or too few time for something very technical, hard or at least time consuming.

Maybe we have the luck of someone new pick again to give new progress. We have to be patient for the Nspire stuff.
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #241 on: July 23, 2010, 10:31:58 am »
Do we really have to make sure it's impossible to put the CAS OS on a non-CAS?  To me, it sounds like this is the only reason Ndless 2.0 isn't out, and with TI's reaction I think Ndless 2.0 is the perfect response. :)
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #242 on: July 23, 2010, 10:37:58 am »
Quote from: ztrumpet on July 23, 2010, 10:31:58 am
Do we really have to make sure it's impossible to put the CAS OS on a non-CAS?  To me, it sounds like this is the only reason Ndless 2.0 isn't out, and with TI's reaction I think Ndless 2.0 is the perfect response. :)
Better not let put CAS OS into non-CAS to avoid trouble. I think is ok and I would enjoy to have CAS applications to non-CAS and a TI-84+SE emulator to CAS.

There could be other reasons like stability issues, lack of testing...
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #243 on: July 23, 2010, 10:39:56 am »
Quote from: calcdude84se on July 21, 2010, 06:37:32 pm
I seriously doubt the font has ever been monospaced. I might be wrong, though, seeing as I don't own an Nspire. :P

Correct. :(
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #244 on: July 23, 2010, 10:41:09 am »
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but at least keeping it minimally active to release updates after some months.
They do, watch the SVN trunk :)

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Do we really have to make sure it's impossible to put the CAS OS on a non-CAS?
IMO, we're less bound to such moral considerations now that TI attacked Ndless twice... it would be a pretty powerful retaliation against TI. But yeah, TI would sue the trouble-makers to death.

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To me, it sounds like this is the only reason Ndless 2.0 isn't out
Nope, it is not. Galandros pointed one of the two reasons.
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #245 on: July 23, 2010, 10:43:14 am »
Quote from: Lionel Debroux on July 23, 2010, 10:41:09 am
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Do we really have to make sure it's impossible to put the CAS OS on a non-CAS?
IMO, we're less bound to such moral considerations now that TI attacked Ndless twice...
Okay, I must agree with that. :)

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To me, it sounds like this is the only reason Ndless 2.0 isn't out
Nope, it is not.
Ah, okay.  Thanks for clarifying. :D
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #246 on: July 23, 2010, 10:44:24 am »
Wait, I am still confused, does the current ndless allow putting a cas onto a non-cas? If so, I cant see how :/
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #247 on: July 23, 2010, 10:44:29 am »
Anyway... up to now, we've been avoiding putting CAS stuff into non-CAS calculators (runos developped but not released, 68k emulator developped but not released...).

So we've been very nice with TI.


Seeing what we are getting from TI despite that (lawyers letters, evil downgrade protections, censored facebook comments, disabled facebook accounts...) I would say "let's not care anymore!".

Anyway, they'll keep striking at us, whatever we do.
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #248 on: July 23, 2010, 10:46:05 am »
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does the current ndless allow putting a cas onto a non-cas?
Not as is, but yes if you have the runos program, which has never been distributed.
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #249 on: July 23, 2010, 10:48:09 am »
Ohrly, darn! I would have liked to do this!
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #250 on: July 23, 2010, 11:13:18 am »
Quote from: Lionel Debroux on July 23, 2010, 10:41:09 am
They do, watch the SVN trunk :)
Nice. :D

Quote from: Lionel Debroux on July 23, 2010, 10:41:09 am
IMO, we're less bound to such moral considerations now that TI attacked Ndless twice... it would be a pretty powerful retaliation against TI. But yeah, TI would sue the trouble-makers to death.
Quote from: critor on July 23, 2010, 10:44:29 am
Seeing what we are getting from TI despite that (lawyers letters, evil downgrade protections, censored facebook comments, disabled facebook accounts...) I would say "let's not care anymore!".

Anyway, they'll keep striking at us, whatever we do.
The downgrade has just one good justification: avoid downgrade to OSes with bugs, especially the shut down one. But if they did for this reason, they wouldn't disable to OSes past that bug. The coincidence of disable on OS versions that Ndless support is not ignorable.

Nspire hacking seems much more troublesome situation in legal aspect to involved people than the signing keys to z80 calculators.
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #251 on: July 23, 2010, 11:30:46 am »
Quote from: critor on July 23, 2010, 10:44:29 am
Anyway... up to now, we've been avoiding putting CAS stuff into non-CAS calculators (runos developped but not released, 68k emulator developped but not released...).

So we've been very nice with TI.

I have a question about RunOS, first of all, in its current form, is it legal, second, I have been reading that it would be illegal to put a CAS OS on the regular blue Nspire, but would this be illegal if I owned both a regular Nspire and a Nspire CAS?  Basically, I would be choosing the hardware I want to run the OS on.
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #252 on: July 23, 2010, 11:44:24 am »
Well, it is  illegal but we do it anyways, kinda like downloading ROMS of games and such
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #253 on: July 23, 2010, 11:46:57 am »
We should just make our own CAS. It's perfectly legal. TI can't do anything against that.
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Re: Nspire 2.1 out, don't install it!
« Reply #254 on: July 23, 2010, 11:57:16 am »
Wont we need to sign Keys for that?
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