Ah, good! I rather like the idea of power-conscious asm applications.

are there any news about any new versions of ndless that are compatible with a newer OS version, yet??
thx

pls excuse my creepy english...^^

Nothing... Ndless team has been silent for weeks, er... months now.

Quote from: jbaem on May 20, 2010, 03:18:06 pm

are there any news about any new versions of ndless that are compatible with a newer OS version, yet??
thx

pls excuse my creepy english...^^

Nothing... Ndless team has been silent for weeks, er... months now.

Last night I think, BrandonW mentionned something about the possibility that Ndless authors get in legal troubles if they released Ndless 2.0 in its current form. I did not understand all the details, but it seemed to imply that the new Ndless has an exploit that would allow non-CAS users to install a CAS OS on their machine. At the moment, they are most likely trying to figure out a way to prevent this, so they do not get problems with TI. The ability to install a CAS OS on a non-CAS model could make TI lose money because some people would get the non-CAS instead then jailbreak it, so TI would probably have a point there. As for BrandonW, he said he might try to get help from the EFF again to see if they couldn't make it easier for Ndless 2.0 to be released. However, if Ndless 2.0 authors (and BrandonW) wins, they still need to be very careful because there have often been rumors in the past about the possibility that TI drops out of the calc market. If TI felt that they won't make enough money anymore from calcs, they could simply stop producing calcs altogether, so the TI community would be, in some ways, commiting suicide.

And that would be very, very bad. We just need to stay out of TI's way unless they're obviously wrong, like they were with invoking the DMCA in the key-signing controversy. That might be difficult though, actually trying to prevent something from being able to be done. TI was never very successful at this. (Every graphing calc they have released w/o ASM has been hacked to run ASM, except the TI-80 and other ones that I don't know about and probably aren't as important)

It seems like the way Ndless 2.0 had to be done, it added this exploit by default and it appears that it would not only be very hard to prevent, but if prevented, nothing would stop people from hacking Ndless to re-enable that "feature".

I think that for the later, Ndless authors cannot be held responsible. It's like torrent programs. They were done to use torrents, not to pirate stuff. Their authors are not responsible if people use their software in a way they were not intended to be used for. Because of this, if Ndless was made so a CAS OS cannot be installed on a non-CAS model and TI tried to fight, the EFF could help the community win and it wouldn't be hard. But then, there is still the issue that TI might just give up on the calc market.

The last time I tried, TILP worked fine with 1.1 but failed on 2.0.

Any news of Ndless 2.0, cause I cant get 1.0 to work on my calculator even with OS 1.1

I hope they get those legal issues out of the way.  Hopefully they'll be able to release Ndless 2.0 soon.