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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2011, 05:17:32 pm »
Except that there are new Nspire users each year, who won't visit Omnimaga or TI-Bank before upgrading.

And that new Nspire calculators are going to come with this new OS preinstalled.



We're in a critic situation.

It's just a matter of time before the calculators still able to run Ndless become a minority.
Nobody will go on developing Ndless programs, if nobody can use them...
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2011, 05:27:03 pm »
This is horrific news! :'(

I wonder, would it be possible to somehow add a feature to send a file from Goplat's Emulator (with OS 3.0.1) back to the computer to allow direct encryption from the emulator?

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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2011, 05:31:38 pm »
The CX is probably going to come with 3.0.2.

My CX CD has a file named "OS upgrade"
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2011, 06:13:53 pm »
Quote from: ExtendeD on May 19, 2011, 05:05:52 pm
I don't quite understand how third-party Lua development was a problem to TI to the point of making them spend time and money to block it. Lua is well sandboxed and doesn't threaten calculator stability or press-to-test.

That's what I'm wondering. I see paid apps on the horizon.
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2011, 06:16:53 pm »
Quote from: Deep Thought on May 19, 2011, 06:13:53 pm
Quote from: ExtendeD on May 19, 2011, 05:05:52 pm
I don't quite understand how third-party Lua development was a problem to TI to the point of making them spend time and money to block it. Lua is well sandboxed and doesn't threaten calculator stability or press-to-test.

That's what I'm wondering. I see paid apps on the horizon.

Maybe.

Check this: http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1109
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2011, 06:21:30 pm »
If you can send to 3.01 then pull and have it run on 3.02, then it should be pretty feasible to have some website that does that for you.

Of course, we'd need the emulator working on 3.01 first.
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2011, 06:31:48 pm »
Quote from: yunhua98 on May 19, 2011, 05:31:38 pm
My CX CD has a file named "OS upgrade"
I wouldn't use it if I were you... It will probably brick it or worse prevent Lua

Damn TI they give us a great thing jut to take it away, Lua programs.
On the bright side I did predict that they would prevent downgrading even using TNOC
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2011, 09:18:46 pm »
It looks like we're back to the drawing boards. Although I bet hacking 3.0.2 might be a little easier than hacking 1.1.
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2011, 11:09:46 pm »
I'm starting to wonder about paid apps too, but on the other hand I think they're really up to eliminate calc gaming from the TI-Nspire line. It's clear they do, since they immediately retaliated with a stronger anti-downgrade protection after we found out how to bypass it.

If they allows paid apps in Lua, what if they take control of what is released or not? When games get uploaded on their server, they'll reject them all.
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2011, 11:28:46 pm »
I bet it won't be them hosting it, they'll probably have something like the App-Signing keys, where you buy one and have it for life, but it's expensive, and you need one for each app on the calc. (at least that's how I think it works :P)
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2011, 11:54:53 pm »
Yeah that could be a possibility too. If it's like in 2000-2003 with 83+ apps, not a lot of people are gonna develop apps for the Nspire...
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2011, 03:39:16 am »
I downloaded os 3.0.1 for this reason, but I'm not sure if it is really os 3.0.1. Can you run an OS with the NSpire emulator?
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2011, 04:09:48 am »
Yes, but be sure to download the lastest version (0.53 to my mind)
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2011, 04:12:40 am »
The anti-downgrade protection is somewhat predictable. They don't want us to downgrade to OS 3.0.1 and brick our calculators: That would mean more expenses for them.

Quote from: critor on May 19, 2011, 06:16:53 pm
Check this: http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1109

If this tool is released for free then that could be a light at the end of the tunnel for this OS, anyway by now I'll stick with the OS 3.0.1 without boot2 and wait till something really good convinces me to upgrade. By now I can't see any reason since I can downgrade and use ndless again, ndoom was awesome and I don't want to close the doors of playing it forever.

So then is there something new which can make me see this 3.0.2 as a real upgrade?
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Re: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE!
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2011, 06:30:58 am »
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So then is there something new which can make me see this 3.0.2 as a real upgrade?
Besides fixing the math bugs of OS 3.0.1 (but those did not exist on earlier OS) versions, no, AFAWCT.
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