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That's great. TI fails at blocking once again!

But it's too bad that they seem to have succeeded with the downgrade protection...

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That too. Now if only we could convince all teachers to switch, although I'm sure this would never happen on a worldwide scale D:. It would be nice to see more schools promoting the Prizm, though. Maybe once someone here wrote a math suite including everything the Prizm lacks that is needed.
Qwerty and I are still working on a math suite, but before that happens we've been working more on creating development tools for the Prizm which will ease that process. The expected date of arrival for any development tools I would predict to be around late August and if not then it would be around Christmas break. And I'm stilling working on turning my school away from the dark-side and into the light. I'll be meeting with my school's vice president soon to discuss the possibility of the school changing calculators. To do I will need to find some evidence that TI will cancel the 84+ soon, as in the next 2 years.

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Cancel the 84?!

I have a feeling they may start doing that...

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I hope they don't, because it seems like last year they tried with the 84+SE in some countries. I fear at one point they might do this despite losing sales, just to force everyone to buy softwares to develop games.

Also I saw the TI-BANK news about the secret stuff. I think third-party development for the Nspire will soon require us to pay money to TI, like with TI-83+ Flash apps back in 2000 or so. :/

Of course this might be something else that TI is about to release for testing to TI-BANK admins, but it is very possible that they migth want to introduce a paid SDK to make money from us.

While this would open third-party programming for the Nspire, new problems will arise:
-Not everyone will be able to buy the SDK, due to lack of money or parents disallowing them to buy stuff online. Most developers on Omnimaga are under 18.
-TI might require apps to be uploaded on TI website, giving them full control on their content, meaning if they decide to reject games, then they will.

Also I'm kinda glad the downgrade/Lua protection made Slashdot again. At least TI's actions against developers are being shown outside TI websites now.

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if TI doesn't change how they operate I bet the 8x's will be out of production by 2013 or 2014

I don't think they'll give us anything really usable like the keys.

I say there's a 90% chance they release a paid SDK. 70% chance they ad something so they can choose what apps can be used on calc. something like the upload to their site for the apps to work.

More people need to know the evil monster TI is becoming. Go Casio.
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well the TI-84/83's will probably be discontinued soon(a couple years) they offer too many freedoms :P
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Yeah. That said, however, teachers often got the last word here. A lot of teachers still recommend the 84+ and it is their favorite calcs. A lot of them would be unhappy if TI discontinued it, and I'm sure they would even protest or threaten to switch to the cheaper Prizm.

Also it's not every parent who want to buy a more expensive TI-Nspire instead of a cheaper TI-83 Plus or TI-84 Plus... I myself was already unhappy about shelling away $159.99 for my 83+ a decade ago, even though I almost marriedlove the calc, because I spent an entire year saving for it...

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Man if my maths teacher heard about how they are forcing anti downgrade and the rest, he would be shocked at the actions from TI. He definitely prefers the 84+, as it is so hard to work out how to do things on an TI-nspire. The 84+ has it all you need for maths, and the way they're going with releasing not two, not four, but now six different versions of Ti-nspire shows they're really pushing the pace for the whole ti market to be dominated by 50 gazillion versions of ti-nspire and nothing else for more creative calculators.

Personally i don't think that the cx was really a satisfactory response to the release of the Prizm, as the incompetence of much of the os system is still there in version 3.0, they just tried to patch up their mistakes with colour.
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Man if my maths heard about how they are forcing anti downgrade and the rest, he would be shocked at the actions from TI. He definitely prefers the 84+, as it is so hard to work out how to do things on an TI-nspire. The 84+ has it all you need for maths, and the way they're going with releasing not two, not four, but now six different versions of Ti-nspire shows they're really pushing the pace for the whole ti market to be dominated by 50 gazillion versions of ti-nspire and nothing else for more creative calculators.

Personally i don't think that the cx was really a satisfactory response to the release of the Prizm, as the incompetence of much of the os system is still there in version 3.0, they just tried to patch up their mistakes with colour.
And on top of that they did not even get the color screen right.

1) See Yunhua's thread: The screen sometimes glitches
2) In most calculator areas, barely any color was used. Sometimes, it's just grayscale aside from the battery status icon.

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is there any chance to run ndless in OS 3.0 in any term?
do you think TI left any hole which can be exploited?

can the emulator run OS 3.0.2?

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{yes, no} and {yes}.


In other words, ExtendeD is working on it.
And why does the OS 3.0.2 can't run in the emulator ?
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I didn't tested it on the emulator I was kinda asking if anyone did...

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can the emulator run OS 3.0.2?

Yes. However, the boot2 updater now reboots if the boot2 version you're using is less than the one included with the OS, which means you must either remove the boot2 update with TNOC, or use boot2 3.01 (which requires that you also use boot1 and use emulator version 0.53 or above)
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