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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2011, 05:46:46 am »

If the CX won't play third-party Lua files, I have planned to post a news article to start a community-wide boycott of the CX calculator, encouraging people to stick with the Touch/Clickpad, 84+ and Casio Prizm models and link to Cemetech's rant about the CX.

The ti-nspire clickpad with OS 1.0
was the first step against the supposed "corruptness" of the ti-84 and other models (to a lesser extent) such as the ti-89.
The ti-nspire touchpad with OS 2.0
was the second step which restricted OS downgrading to prevent progress of the ndless progressing through the OSes


The ti-snpire CX blah with OS 3.0
...they've been planning this for a while, and as news of the calculator community finally hacking into the ti-nspire to the point where all you have to do is run the ndless document in OS 2.0/2.1 (which they originally put out there to stop ndless working on these OSes) to play games such as nDoom... the release of the CX was to once again make the calculator community play catch up again. the step up in version numbering shows this. Hopefully in time we will break this barrier again, and it remains to be seen whether TI just keeps releasing new OSes everytime the calculator community succeeds, or just give up and make development open.

So this boycott will at least show TI who has the power here. You release a new OS, we'll hack into it eventually.

Or more simply, just don't upgrade.
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2011, 04:09:15 pm »
If we have a computer program that can encrypt it, then we should be able to reverse it to make a program for us to encrypt it.

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2011, 06:00:04 pm »
I waqsn't even thinking of getting a CX, but a boycott..... Idk.

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2011, 01:47:12 pm »
Well a boycott would simply involves not buying it altogether nor supporting it. That way in long terms people would probably get the Prizm instead or other TI calcs, and TI couldn,t discontinue the older models because they sell well and not their new ones.

Also OS 3.0 seems to introduce bugs with some functions O.O

This is where I found the image and bug explanation (in French) http://tibank.forumactif.com/t6923-os-30-bug-equi-diff

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2011, 03:01:26 pm »
You get the image much faster in the associated news:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1056

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2011, 07:33:33 pm »
Another new major bug with the 3.0 OS. The rechargeable battery status is not reported correctly (allways at 0%) which causes problems with USB transfers.

http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1057

Don't through away your rechargeable battery: it's still good!!!...


So they've removed the bugs that let Ndless run, but they've added many new bigger bugs for us :P

I'm beginning to think that this is the worst Nspire OS ever...

I wouldn't be surprised if it tries to explain me that 1+1=3 soon...
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2011, 07:54:39 pm »
Darn this sucks. Why can't these companies test their crap more before releasing it?

At least it's not as bad as OS 2.71MP so far, though...

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2011, 08:33:11 pm »
Well, it was designed to suck :P

I don't think it's quite fair to accuse too much, considering it was designed mostly for the CX, it's not as if they're going to get it perfect every time, and, IMO, you should compare it to 1.1, rather than 2.0 or 1.7.

Is the 84+ emu decent at all?

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2011, 07:37:35 am »
The 3.0 OS being just crap wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't installed allmost automatically and if you could uninstall it.


I have no proof, but I really think that there is some random bug in the boot2 update code since the 2.0.0 OS.

Check here -> http://tibank.forumactif.com/t6932-l-hecatombe-des-boot2#109963

3 different persons have reported deleted boot2 since last week (this hadn't been reported for months - we had several similar reports after the 2.0.0 OS release and then nothing else...).


When the boot2 is missing, the calculator stays stucked at the following screen:



Without the boot2, you cannot use the USB plug. You can only repair the calculator using my external RS232 interface.


Has someone any idea of what can trigger this major bug? Does the 3.0 OS really randomly destroy TI-Nspire calculators?

I'd need some proof before newsing...
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2011, 08:10:50 am »
We just got some kind of a proof!
For one of the erased boot2 reports, the user was just installing the 3.0 OS.
(the users didn't answer precisely or the other reports)

There is a random bug in the boot2 update code!!!

http://www.univers-ti-nspire.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=516&p=2596#p2596
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2011, 08:45:27 am »
Triple posting, but... it's really really bad!

I'm missing words to describe TI stupidity.

We got another answer on the topic:
http://www.univers-ti-nspire.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=516

The user could boot OS 3.0 one time but not 2 times, which is perfectly normal as the boot2 is only updated after the 1st OS successfull boot.

So something went wrong during the boot2 update and the boot2 was destroyed.

OS 3.0 is destroying calculators because of the new boot2 whose only goal is to prevent you from downgrading and installing Ndless.


Because of previous reports, it seems this boot2 update bug is present since at least OS 2.0.0.

You should not install OS 3.0...
And you MUST NOT install boot2 3.0! Use TNOC to save your calculator from dying!!!...


Does anybody have a clearer idea of what can go wrong during the boot2 update? Golat? Bsl?
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2011, 08:46:25 am »
Should we be going back to 2.0.1 right now?

I took boot2 3.0 out so am I safe?
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2011, 08:46:56 am »
I guess
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2011, 08:50:07 am »
This is real creepy ... TI should bug-test their software more (yes, we can dream)
Anyway, I think this is news worthy!

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2011, 08:57:50 am »
If TI bricks are calcs with their software can we get replacements for free or would we need to fix it on our own?
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