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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2011, 08:59:17 am »
This is real creepy ... TI should bug-test their software more (yes, we can dream)
Anyway, I think this is news worthy!

So do I. What do the modos/admins say? Do we have enough proof?
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2011, 09:00:37 am »
Wow... This reminds me of Nintendo a bit. They once released an update for the boot2 on the Wii, and that update was supposed to replace all custom versions of boot2 that had been installed. Some Wiis were bricked. Everyone thought that this was because they had installed homebrew, but that was incorrect! The update procedure was simply so glitchy that it could brick Wiis. But from what I've seen, Nspire brickings now are much more common than what happened then... TI is getting worse than they already were.

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2011, 09:01:44 am »
If TI bricks are calcs with their software can we get replacements for free or would we need to fix it on our own?

If it's still under warranty, they'll repair/replace it for free. If not, I doubt they'll admit it's their fault.

That's why I've asked if someone who "understands" the decrypted OS was seeing any trace/proof of this major bug in the 3.0 OS boot2 update code.
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2011, 01:42:49 pm »
I've just newsed on TI-Bank about the biggest bug in all graphic calculators history: the "Nspire 3.0 boot2 destroying bug".
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1060

You want to kill a TI-Nspire? Just install OS 3.0! :P
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2011, 01:52:49 pm »
Wow this is terrible. I'M glad I ran my OS through TNOC before upgrading.

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #50 on: April 20, 2011, 02:17:54 pm »
Levak has just discovered that OS 3.0 is overclocking the hardware even further:

Core = 264MHz (240MHz with the 2.1 OS - 180MHz with previous OSes)
CPU = 132MHz (120MHz with the 2.1 OS - 90MHz with previous OSes)
AHB = 33MHz


It might be possible that the overclock does help the boot2 flashing failure to occur...
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2011, 02:31:56 pm »
I suspect the problem is a race condition between the boot2 updater and the filesystem. There could potentially be filesystem access going on concurrently with a boot2 update and as far as I know there is no synchronization to prevent one from screwing up the other.

Edit: haven't been able to confirm this. The only two tasks accessing flash are the main task and a FlashFX background task. The boot2 updater is run from the main task, which has a higher priority than the FlashFX task. So even when inserting large delays into the boot2 updater, the FlashFX task doesn't do anything until long after the update is finished.
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2011, 02:48:11 pm »
Wow. I bet the overclocking is because they wanted to make OS 3.0 look like it runs a bit faster, when in fact they didn't optimize everything.

Anyway I finally posted a news article: http://ourl.ca/10540

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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2011, 10:17:03 pm »
They try and stop the hacks the community have created up to os2.1 by enforcing more anti-downgrade protection in their NEW os but what they do is instead recreate a situation like os 2.0.0, where ti-nspire's were bricked. They better release the update soon, because the longer they leave it, the more chaos there will be.
So major upgrade (just to catch up with Casio, and force anti-downgrade) = Dead Ti-nspires
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Re: OS 3.0 breaks compatibility
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2011, 05:30:10 pm »
Indeed, and I hope the next OS update either contains an older Boot2 or that they fix it.