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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2012, 01:08:50 am »
Question: are the demoted ars members being replaced?
No, we already have a bunch of ars still and managers, so we don't need to appoint more. We only had so many cause of ndoom anyways.
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2012, 01:16:35 am »
^this (we even had 20 at one point if I remember).

What about the inactive Cot members such as Michael_lee and z80man, though? Are they getting demoted and replaced?

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2012, 01:19:31 am »
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Secondly the administration team ( Deep, Netham and me ( Eeems ) ) have decided that while the voting system is nice, downvoting has caused too much controversy in the past due to people not understanding how it is suppose to be used. Because of this we have decided to remove the downvote option. Now you can only upvote posts.

I personally think this is the wrong way to go. Members cannot be "slapped on the wrist" anymore for saying something they probably shouldn't have, and in the mind of the poster, there is less reprisal for saying potentially insulting or disrespectful posts. It's not going to ease hard feeling, but more increase them as now, a major part of the control factor on those kinds of posts is now gone. Also, all a regular member can do now is report a post or respond to it. With the downvote, a member could just rate down, feel better and then walk away. Now, they'd have to report the post or respond to (and feed) the troll which would potentially leave dissatisfaction, and thus, more drama. Ultimately, the downvote system was an important control on disrespectful and trolling posts and now that it's removed, the only true formal punishment that can be given is either a ban or suspension. And only a moderator or admin can do that, and the regular member can only point out the posts, but can't do anything directly to them. It's only going to increase drama and unresolved issues. That, I already foresee.
 
I also want to bring up the fact that, while you guys are the managers of the website, this came entirely out of the blue and was made without any sort of discussion on it by the community as a whole. (Or at least none that I have seen) I think that for major site changes like this one, the community should be notified and allowed to offer their own opinions and suggestions, because what if it's something the managers think is a good idea, but the community by and large is against? Also, you are also cutting out a lot of other valid outside opinions on the matter. Basically, I think there should have been a news poll thread suggesting the idea before it was agreed upon and implemented.

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2012, 01:32:01 am »
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Secondly the administration team ( Deep, Netham and me ( Eeems ) ) have decided that while the voting system is nice, downvoting has caused too much controversy in the past due to people not understanding how it is suppose to be used. Because of this we have decided to remove the downvote option. Now you can only upvote posts.

I personally think this is the wrong way to go. Members cannot be "slapped on the wrist" anymore for saying something they probably shouldn't have, and in the mind of the poster, there is less reprisal for saying potentially insulting or disrespectful posts. It's not going to ease hard feeling, but more increase them as now, a major part of the control factor on those kinds of posts is now gone. Also, all a regular member can do now is report a post or respond to it. With the downvote, a member could just rate down, feel better and then walk away. Now, they'd have to report the post or respond to (and feed) the troll which would potentially leave dissatisfaction, and thus, more drama. Ultimately, the downvote system was an important control on disrespectful and trolling posts and now that it's removed, the only true formal punishment that can be given is either a ban or suspension. And only a moderator or admin can do that, and the regular member can only point out the posts, but can't do anything directly to them. It's only going to increase drama and unresolved issues. That, I already foresee.
 
I also want to bring up the fact that, while you guys are the managers of the website, this came entirely out of the blue and was made without any sort of discussion on it by the community as a whole. (Or at least none that I have seen) I think that for major site changes like this one, the community should be notified and allowed to offer their own opinions and suggestions, because what if it's something the managers think is a good idea, but the community by and large is against? Also, you are also cutting out a lot of other valid outside opinions on the matter. Basically, I think there should have been a news poll thread suggesting the idea before it was agreed upon and implemented.

actually removing the down vote has been on the todo list for a long while. it just was never done for a multitude of reason.

secondly this is not out of the blue. if you had not noticed people have gotten demoted in the past few days as well as some other site drama. were just doing what we deem the best course of action for the site as a whole. if you really want to dispute it take it up on the site feed back subforum we will gladly listen thats why we have that subforum. we don't want to anger anyone we are just trying to make the site better as a whole for old and new members alike.

as for z80man and michael lee i believe we are giving them one more month to come back before removing them from there positions
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2012, 01:35:04 am »
Yeah, I think removing the downvotes were discussed in a thread a while ago.

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2012, 01:35:33 am »
Yeah, I think removing the downvotes were discussed in a thread a while ago.

its been on the back burner for a good half a year iirc

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2012, 01:52:19 am »

I personally think this is the wrong way to go. Members cannot be "slapped on the wrist" anymore for saying something they probably shouldn't have, and in the mind of the poster, there is less reprisal for saying potentially insulting or disrespectful posts. It's not going to ease hard feeling, but more increase them as now, a major part of the control factor on those kinds of posts is now gone. Also, all a regular member can do now is report a post or respond to it. With the downvote, a member could just rate down, feel better and then walk away. Now, they'd have to report the post or respond to (and feed) the troll which would potentially leave dissatisfaction, and thus, more drama. Ultimately, the downvote system was an important control on disrespectful and trolling posts and now that it's removed, the only true formal punishment that can be given is either a ban or suspension. And only a moderator or admin can do that, and the regular member can only point out the posts, but can't do anything directly to them. It's only going to increase drama and unresolved issues. That, I already foresee.
 
I also want to bring up the fact that, while you guys are the managers of the website, this came entirely out of the blue and was made without any sort of discussion on it by the community as a whole. (Or at least none that I have seen) I think that for major site changes like this one, the community should be notified and allowed to offer their own opinions and suggestions, because what if it's something the managers think is a good idea, but the community by and large is against? Also, you are also cutting out a lot of other valid outside opinions on the matter. Basically, I think there should have been a news poll thread suggesting the idea before it was agreed upon and implemented.

There's been extensive discussion on the matter, a large part of which has been public on the forums in various threads (mainly the ones where members 'rage', so to speak, about being downvoted). While there hasn't been much drama due to it recently, historically it's been rather problematic.

As far as the community at large being against it, as far as I can recall, you're the only person to really speak out against it, with most others being neutral or for it.
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2012, 02:12:44 am »
I think for now we should just see how it goes, then if trolling increases as a result of the removal of negative rating,  as HOMER and myself worry about, then maybe downvoting could be implemented again, and rules enforced harder when someone whines about his negative rating?

That said, respect might not have this much of an impact, anyway, because for example it took until -31 ratings before annoyingcalc starts going up again (although there is still room for improvements there was a lot shortly after he joined)

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2012, 03:01:57 am »
Well done to qwerty and shmibs! You guys will do a great job.
So we can unvote upvotes but is it still possible to unvote existing downvotes?
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2012, 03:05:01 am »
So we can unuote upvotes but is it still possible to unvote existing downvotes?
You can press the upvote button, which would remove the downvote, then remove the upvote.

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2012, 03:15:54 am »
Ah ok then. Then it seems that i mostly agree with the up/down move though the option of scaring people/trolls to pay attention to their posts is greatly reduced. Other than that, it's fine and simplifies things
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2012, 03:19:24 am »
So we can unuote upvotes but is it still possible to unvote existing downvotes?
You can press the upvote button, which would remove the downvote, then remove the upvote.
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2012, 04:34:34 am »
Well, in some way, although I am not on Facebook, I noticed it didn't have an dislike.
Although this can be pretty annoying, you are basically sure it would get abused, especially on a big social network.
(Imagine Justin Bieber says something 'normal'. You can be almost sure it will have many dislikes, just because many people hate or dislike him.)

And if abuse starts happening on this forum, I can understand why this has been done. I think rating system's purpose is to show to new people, for example, who is a good/intellegent/serious/etc.. person. If someone has low ratings(and has been here already a while) they can guess that that person doesn't come a lot on the forum or doesn't have so many important/good/special posts.(or even is a troll). Then the newbie can know who to ask a question to, and almost know he can get rightaway a good answer to.

And I guess if I think a post needs a downrating, I'll just not uprate it, and probably give a post describing what I think is wrong with it. In that way, the person who got downrated, will understand what he did wrong a LOT better I think, if he instead would just have got a downrating(with possibly not even a post describing what he did wrong).

So yeah, I guess I don't mind it. :)


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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2012, 04:36:18 am »
It actually happened that trolls got downvoted even in normal posts :P
But yeah.
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2012, 08:46:03 am »
Congrats to both Shmibs and Qwerty on their new positions. =)

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I personally think this is the wrong way to go. Members cannot be "slapped on the wrist" anymore for saying something they probably shouldn't have, and in the mind of the poster, there is less reprisal for saying potentially insulting or disrespectful posts. It's not going to ease hard feeling, but more increase them as now, a major part of the control factor on those kinds of posts is now gone. Also, all a regular member can do now is report a post or respond to it. With the downvote, a member could just rate down, feel better and then walk away. Now, they'd have to report the post or respond to (and feed) the troll which would potentially leave dissatisfaction, and thus, more drama. Ultimately, the downvote system was an important control on disrespectful and trolling posts and now that it's removed, the only true formal punishment that can be given is either a ban or suspension. And only a moderator or admin can do that, and the regular member can only point out the posts, but can't do anything directly to them. It's only going to increase drama and unresolved issues. That, I already foresee.
 
I also want to bring up the fact that, while you guys are the managers of the website, this came entirely out of the blue and was made without any sort of discussion on it by the community as a whole. (Or at least none that I have seen) I think that for major site changes like this one, the community should be notified and allowed to offer their own opinions and suggestions, because what if it's something the managers think is a good idea, but the community by and large is against? Also, you are also cutting out a lot of other valid outside opinions on the matter. Basically, I think there should have been a news poll thread suggesting the idea before it was agreed upon and implemented.

Well, our mod team and staff are pretty active, so we tend to stay on top of things. If I personally notice a member out of line I will usually politely mention to them what is wrong with their post. Sometimes myself(or other staff) will PM them. Even if you don't see these things, you can rest assured that they are being taken care of. As you pointed out their is also and "Report" button if a post or person is really out of line. When this is the case, I usually see at least 5 people report it (and thanks, we appreciate it :)). It gets forwarded to staff and we are able to handle it in a timely manner. The downvote isn't really necessary, as there are quite a few checks in place already.