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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2012, 09:04:27 am »
It actually happened that trolls got downvoted even in normal posts :P
But yeah.
Edit the lowest respect I got on a post was -20. I was necroposting a bit then. O.o (at the end I ended up with -35 respect XD)

In total I have 13 downratings, and 3 upratings that got somehow lost in oblivion. :P

Yeah, I noticed what you said about the troll things. At least that can't happen anymore.
I was also wondering what if you notice a post and it has for no reason an uprating, for example a post that says "Yes, I do" or something? You can't downrate it back to 0.


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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2012, 09:09:14 am »
You can report it to us or PM staff and they can look into it for rating abuse. We can see if someone is going around uprating posts for no reason.

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2012, 09:15:09 am »
what I would suggest(although it would be somewhat complicated) would be to prompt a reason for uprating or downrating...
this would still keep downrating as an option, but would also give insight as to why the post was downrated(maybe make these anonymous?)

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2012, 09:19:39 am »
^That is exactly where I was thinking about :D
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2012, 10:08:59 am »
Hmm, the issue is that downrating will not necessarily deter a troll. A troll will see it and think it is funny and go for more. I remember back when this was being discussed a while ago (I think well over 6 months ago, actually), that DJ_O had a great idea:

Show two stats: All your upvotes and all your downvotes.

I don't pay much attention to my respect level, so under the old system, I wouldn't notice a few downvotes, so I would not notice that I had a bad post. However, if I saw a sudden spike in negative posts, I would be worried.

Plus, I know this might deter some folks from rating somebody down, especially a well respected member, for no reason. If a post had +15 uprates and a trollish person decided it wasn't really worth it and should be knocked down some, they might go to downrate it. This would be a noticeable action. I have had -5 downvotes in my history here, so I would notice if one day it went down when the only post I made got 14 uprates.

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2012, 10:24:11 am »
Hmm, the issue is that downrating will not necessarily deter a troll. A troll will see it and think it is funny and go for more. I remember back when this was being discussed a while ago (I think well over 6 months ago, actually), that DJ_O had a great idea:

Show two stats: All your upvotes and all your downvotes.

I don't pay much attention to my respect level, so under the old system, I wouldn't notice a few downvotes, so I would not notice that I had a bad post. However, if I saw a sudden spike in negative posts, I would be worried.

Plus, I know this might deter some folks from rating somebody down, especially a well respected member, for no reason. If a post had +15 uprates and a trollish person decided it wasn't really worth it and should be knocked down some, they might go to downrate it. This would be a noticeable action. I have had -5 downvotes in my history here, so I would notice if one day it went down when the only post I made got 14 uprates.
yeah, but if a reason for downvoting is required, it would be possible to find 'bad' reasons and report them to the mods...

edit: and you can check all uprates and downrates in the recent respect page ;)
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 10:25:15 am by turiqwalrus »

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2012, 10:27:04 am »
I don't particularly like the removal of the downrate button, but for different reasons than have been stated.  If for example, there is a slightly controversial post, to which some people find encouraging and others find offensive, only the upvotes would be there, and the offended people can not do much about it.
But I guess it is a rather rare case, otherwise, I'm fine with it.
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2012, 10:41:31 am »
I guess you could post a reply saying you were offended are even report the post.


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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2012, 12:47:08 pm »
In response to yunhua comment, one worry I got is some people doing less effort into wording their posts properly and then sounding offensive. eg: SOMEONE ACCIDENTALLY HELPING A PROGRAMMER LIKE THIS AND SOUNDING ANGRY AT THE PERSON WHILE ALL THAT HAPPENED IS AN ACCIDENTAL CAPS LOCK KEYPRESS.

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2012, 12:55:32 pm »
I think the new uprating-only system is perfect :) I think the point of the system is to give respect and acknowledgement to people who contribute to the community and make nice posts, and that reporting posts is a superior way to deal with bad posts than downvoting them. 

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2012, 02:46:59 pm »
I'm kind of neutral about the removal of the button, it can be the source of problems but also can be a sort of signal to the person posting.  Maybe have it some sort of level privilege, after x posts or something?


At any rate, at least no more accidental downvotes XD
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2012, 03:23:23 pm »
I've been downvoted on a news topic before...no idea why lol
I'm hoping that removing the button will help, but if it doesn't we will explore other options for sure.
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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2012, 04:47:50 pm »
I think the new uprating-only system is perfect :) I think the point of the system is to give respect and acknowledgement to people who contribute to the community and make nice posts, and that reporting posts is a superior way to deal with bad posts than downvoting them. 
Yeah and despite not being able to punish bad posters anymore, we couldn't even see how many negative posts someone had and people can improve anyway. Not to mention even if we could see negative points, there are people who downvote high rated messages when they feel their rating is way too high, which could give a false view of someone's behaviour history.

I also hated how close the rating buttons were from each others too, because I always rated down posts by mistake XD .

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2012, 06:07:16 pm »

I personally think this is the wrong way to go. Members cannot be "slapped on the wrist" anymore for saying something they probably shouldn't have, and in the mind of the poster, there is less reprisal for saying potentially insulting or disrespectful posts. It's not going to ease hard feeling, but more increase them as now, a major part of the control factor on those kinds of posts is now gone. Also, all a regular member can do now is report a post or respond to it. With the downvote, a member could just rate down, feel better and then walk away. Now, they'd have to report the post or respond to (and feed) the troll which would potentially leave dissatisfaction, and thus, more drama. Ultimately, the downvote system was an important control on disrespectful and trolling posts and now that it's removed, the only true formal punishment that can be given is either a ban or suspension. And only a moderator or admin can do that, and the regular member can only point out the posts, but can't do anything directly to them. It's only going to increase drama and unresolved issues. That, I already foresee.
 
I also want to bring up the fact that, while you guys are the managers of the website, this came entirely out of the blue and was made without any sort of discussion on it by the community as a whole. (Or at least none that I have seen) I think that for major site changes like this one, the community should be notified and allowed to offer their own opinions and suggestions, because what if it's something the managers think is a good idea, but the community by and large is against? Also, you are also cutting out a lot of other valid outside opinions on the matter. Basically, I think there should have been a news poll thread suggesting the idea before it was agreed upon and implemented.

There's been extensive discussion on the matter, a large part of which has been public on the forums in various threads (mainly the ones where members 'rage', so to speak, about being downvoted). While there hasn't been much drama due to it recently, historically it's been rather problematic.

As far as the community at large being against it, as far as I can recall, you're the only person to really speak out against it, with most others being neutral or for it.

I remember there being a thread discussing the matter a couple of months ago. However, that was still a couple of months ago and I don't think we reached any sort of conclusion. And I wasn't referring to this matter being controversial, but potential future changes. I would like to see an official discussion take place before major changes are implemented, is all. I'm just bringing that up, because I personally don't like how the matter was discussed in places other members might not see, such as myself. It would also allow for other opinions to come up and possible alternatives before a decision is reached.

Personally, I like the idea of having a negative and positive value or perhaps other limits such as a reason behind downvoting. (What if a member could see the reason behind why a post was downrated and that could potentially reduce problems with misunderstanding) Don't know how feasible that would be though...

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Re: Site Updates and New Managment
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2012, 06:21:14 pm »
But now me and quibigo have no more chance to return to 666 respect O.O
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