Author Topic: Status of the TI community (Read 25577 times)

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #45 on:** October 27, 2005, 02:08:00 am »

yeah I saw, I try to contribute as much as I can. Also I think its getting low traffic due to the lack of news in teh conglomerate.

I also hope all that fuss at tigen.org ends soon so people will spend their time more on programming rather than participating in this flamefest (I saw a topic with 20 posts locked in a row)

saubue · « **Reply #46 on:** October 27, 2005, 12:35:00 pm »

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Have you also seen how low is the activity on TI-News ? I guess this is partly because of their conglomerate, which is an extremely useful tool to get news about the community (I knew of this topic there), but is causing the site to have few visits.

Yes, you get a lot of news, but there is one thing which is really annoying (at least for me) and which is the reason why I deleted the feed at my PC: The UTI-feed. Everytime someone replys to a news article it is handled like a new news article (so you get 10 news from UTI per day).

Lionel Debroux · « **Reply #47 on:** October 27, 2005, 07:59:00 pm »

Ha, more fuss again on tigen ? I haven't read any boards for more than one month (other than checking PMs), I did not know of new fuss. And yet, Kevin Kofler is AFAIK fortunately no longer a moderator there...
> spend their time more on programming rather than participating in this flamefest.
Well, in the TI-68k community, I've been part of a significant number of flamewars, although I've stayed away from some others...
But now, I've given up. There IS a BIG problem in the community. Now, it comes to public announcements of intentional sabotage / destruction of other people's work for no valid reason ! I mean, that you don't like something and you are in such a position that you can (try to) impose your views is not a valid reason...

So yes, it's sad to say the truth:
* that's probably the main reason of me stepping out of the community;
* scarce free time in school times and classes that don't teach a number of useful things are the reason why that de-motivated me instead of motivating me to keep going, raise the bar and kick his @$$...

@saubue: yes, that's somewhat annoying. I kept the feed nevertheless.

Ranman · « **Reply #48 on:** October 28, 2005, 12:58:00 am »

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... There IS a BIG problem in the community. Now, it comes to public announcements of intentional sabotage / destruction of other people's work for no valid reason ! I mean, that you don't like something and you are in such a position that you can (try to) impose your views is not a valid reason...

That reminds me of what happenned to Space Hawk (a very impressive game) when it was announced. It was flamed for simply being a "space shooter". One of the guys was a very reputable programmer. He should have been ashamed of himself.

Don't forget about "secret" flaming by the way of low file ratings. That is just as bad as public flaming. But, since it is anonymous so you are unable to defend yourself. I think some people rate files low to help out their own file's ranking. If true... that would be dispicable. You could call this "artificial file ranking".

Lionel Debroux · « **Reply #49 on:** October 28, 2005, 01:44:00 am »

Yes, Space Hawk is impressive.
I'd say artificially-lower file rankings are even worse than public flamings, because the guys are being destructive in an anonymous way, as you pointed out. The ticalc servers may be recording who is voting, but they don't publish that kind of information.
Slashdot and various other Internet places disregard "Anonymous Coward"s...

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #50 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:07:00 am »

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Have you also seen how low is the activity on TI-News ? I guess this is partly because of their conglomerate, which is an extremely useful tool to get news about the community (I knew of this topic there), but is causing the site to have few visits.

Yes, you get a lot of news, but there is one thing which is really annoying (at least for me) and which is the reason why I deleted the feed at my PC: The UTI-feed. Everytime someone replys to a news article it is handled like a new news article (so you get 10 news from UTI per day).

yeah I noticed that happening, I really need to talk to jake about this. THis happened with omnimaga once but only when I do a spelling mistake in the news title and change the title afterward, otherwise things are fine. TI fr seemed to do that often as well once

KermMartian · « **Reply #51 on:** October 30, 2005, 07:38:00 am »

It doesn't help how fast people tend to flame other "factions" on ti community sites either.

the_unknown_one · « **Reply #52 on:** October 30, 2005, 09:39:00 am »

I really want to code, but i am just not motivated enough... And i'm busy. And i can't get that stupid parser hook implemented

Mic · « **Reply #53 on:** October 30, 2005, 10:32:00 am »

TI-BANK is very active.......

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #54 on:** October 30, 2005, 12:32:00 pm »

TI bank forums seems to be clean of flames, a bit like the french z80 forum (at yaronet), at least thats a good thing and it seems quite active. unfortunately due to school requirements in france the z80 part is a lot less active

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ATM I am also not motivated enough to code, because of various stuff happening, stuff that happened or bad memories

tifreak · « **Reply #55 on:** October 30, 2005, 05:22:00 pm »

I have so many things going on, I am having a hard time to find to code. I really need to stop takin on projects for a while...

saubue · « **Reply #56 on:** October 31, 2005, 11:54:00 am »

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TI bank forums seems to be clean of flames, a bit like the french z80 forum (at yaronet), at least thats a good thing and it seems quite active.

Yes, I think most flames are caused by the "TIGCC <-> ETP Studio War" which is about 68k.

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #57 on:** October 31, 2005, 12:21:00 pm »

not only that, Kevi Kofler way of acting as well, I dont know all that happened, I jsut heard aobut mod abuse and trolling

Lionel Debroux · « **Reply #58 on:** November 01, 2005, 06:11:00 am »

> not only that, Kevin Kofler way of acting as well, I dont know all that happened, I just heard about mod abuse and trolling
Yeah, though there's the bright side everyone knows about (TIGCC&TIEmu maintener, several useful though often poorly-optimized programs, great help on the boards and IRC channels), there's also the dark side, The truth is, as facts show (there is evidence of everything I'm pointing out here !), Kevin Kofler has been consistently doing numerous trolls and more recently moderator abuses for more than four years, on the TIGCC/TICT board, yAronet and TI-Gen. Sadly, surprisingly few people know that, although we ALL suffer from his behaviour (wasted time, lower cooperation, demotivation of newcomers - he complains about this, but he is one of the leading causes of this)...
* abusive post/topic locks on boards and kick-bans on IRC channels, e.g. when HE started a flame to which other persons replied.
* reopening and closing a topic he started to complain very hard about yAronet, which _I_ had closed, as Thomas had said some time before that such topics would not be tolerated anymore, only to post that I had closed it.
* lately, "public announcements of intentional sabotage / destruction of other people's work for no valid reason ! I mean, that you don't like something and you are in such a position that you can (try to) impose your views is not a valid reason..." I previously posted in that topic. I'm refering to him posting on the TIGCC/TICT board that ExtGraph would be sabotaged, mostly because I forked the TIGCC grayscale support (and I strike on him extremely hard), and he doesn't like that.

There has been another admin power abuse from his side against me, but I'm partly guilty for it. I lowered the mood on the TIGCC/TICT board by replying to a number of his wrong things (flame starters) in a non-civil manner (because I've been fed up with his behaviour since I know the dark side of it, see below), which led to flames - and I added two persons to the staff to try controlling that, without asking the other admins before (the situation had worsened, things had changed, but he doesn't want to admit it). Well, since that time, I'm no longer an admin there - and Sebastian and him would have created a concurrent board (without telling me, I learnt it indirectly...) if I had been given back admin powers, which I explicitely asked Thomas not to do, even before I knew about the consequences they were planning to do. Obviously, the board is more calm since that - obviously, since hardly anyone dares crossing him anymore.

The starting point of my radical opinion change about him happened during the 2004 summer, when I was made aware of a website (there's a news about it on the TICT website) that, besides several pieces of nonsense, which have been removed at my request, contains logs of his abuses. His explanations about them were less than satisfying to say the least ("out-of-context logs", "brainwash attempts" - written in French, as we usually write to each other in French), and I saw by myself his abuses on TI-Gen between others. Eventually I came back to yAronet, since I understood why they can't stand him, with excellent reason...
Of course, I was part of a good number of flames (especially AMS native vs. kernel-based ones) on his side. That was *before*.

I do not mind if this is moderated. After all, I'm mostly out of the community, I don't plan on coming back on a regular basis.

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #59 on:** November 01, 2005, 07:18:00 am »

I totally agree with that and this is well said. As I prefer to see things by myself when I saw he was banned from yN last year I though it was ppl on yN who wanted to cause trouble, but I started realising I was wrong when I came on #tigen.org and #tigcc a few months ago. It's sad though that you are leaving tho

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