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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on February 27, 2010, 01:52:26 pm
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In case people are wondering, yes, ExtendeD and geogeo has finally released the tools (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/426/42626.html) to allow your TI-Nspire to run third-party C and ASM applications such as Calc84maniac's upcoming Game Boy Color emulator gbc4ti. Ndless will open up
over 9000 endless possibilities for this calculator model that had so much potential, but was locked down by TI to the point where even a TI-81 could do more enjoyable and sometimes even faster BASIC games.
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/sml.gif)
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/ti89emu.png)
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/n3d_3.png)
BrandonW also released an utility called Nspire8x (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/426/42627.html) that allows communicating with a TI-Nspire from a TI-84+ calculator.
Could we eventually see 3D games like on the Nintendo 64 coming out on the TI-Nspire in the future?
UPDATE: In the download section, we added a link to Ndless, forwarding to the ticalc.org info page. In case ticalc.org is down when you want the file, a mirror download link was provided, too.
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The N64 had a 98 Mhz processor, so there's always the possiblity of 3d games. Leave it to calc84maniac :)
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Calcmaniac sucks playing Super Mario. :P
It is already discussed some consoles even with lower CPU power had graphics chips accelerators. It is hard by software emulate it keeping the game running fast.
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I am glad this is finally out. Also I replaced the SMDX screenshot with SML because the other one was 6 MB x.x, the SML one is 1 MB ish and shows the Nspire emu being started. I love how it looks like Windows command prompt
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man i picked the perfect day to leave my nspire at school ;.;
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I hope you didn't got it stolen and just mean you put it in the locker x.x
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yeah, i just left it in my locker heh
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Wow! ExtendeD and BrandonW, thanks! Great job!
This is truly revolutionary! I can't wait until the Nspire has easily-ran Asm on it! This is a huge step. Awesome job! ;D
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Hey hey! This is awesome! Cant wait to get back to school so i can steal my friends nSpire ;)
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Time to nostalgic feeling in Pokemon Red.
Can we send savegames to computer? It would be cool if you could convert the savegame to emulators like VBA and vice-versa.
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On my side it will most likely be Metroid II and Zelda Oracles Of Ages/Season :P
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Time to nostalgic feeling in Pokemon Red.
Can we send savegames to computer? It would be cool if you could convert the savegame to emulators like VBA and vice-versa.
That should work fine, yes :)
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would it be in any way possible to support the 84+ keypad? personally i think it would be better for gaming :{o
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would it be in any way possible to support the 84+ keypad? personally i think it would be better for gaming :{o
That's on the to-do list, yes
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I also hope for 84+ keyboard support
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/me pokes calc84 with project idea:
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/nspire3D.png)
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/nspire3D2.png)
/me runs
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XD That would be nice! :P
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Lol, that would be epic :p
especially the halo one :p
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A StarCraft clone might actually be possible, given that StarCraft runs on a 90 MHz Pentium with 16 MB of RAM. The fact that StarCraft is not open-source would certainly thwart any attempts to port it, though.
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Does the nSpire have any wireless capabilities?
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yeah that's what I thought. the lack of graphic card might be an issue, but I am sure something similar could be possible. Also SC graphics would look awesome because the game was in 256 colors and converting to grayscale gives about 32 shades of gray. If you check in my mock up, it doesn't look that bad actually.
Otherwise there could be Command And Conquer from 1995 or Warcraft II
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@SirCmpwn: TI recently released the TI-Nspire Navigator, but I don't know much about it. IIRC it's to easily transfer programs and activities from a computer to a bunch of Nspires, but I could be wrong. I don't know if it does stuff from calc to calc.
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@SirCmpwn: TI recently released the TI-Nspire Navigator, but I don't know much about it. IIRC it's to easily transfer programs and activities from a computer to a bunch of Nspires, but I could be wrong. I don't know if it does stuff from calc to calc.
My sister's math class uses this. She thinks (but is not certain) that it is only calc to computer.
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I was thinking networked FPS matches ;)
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if it could be used between calc it would be cool, altough the price is another story...
http://www.schoolmart.com/search.aspx?find=ti+navigator
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Does the nSpire have any wireless capabilities?
It's Nspire, not nSpire.
The wireless TI-Navigator definitely uses Wi-Fi, so we have the hardware. The software is another thing, however...
Maybe someone could write some drivers for a USB wireless adapter in the future. The high price of the Navigator seems to be an insurmountable obstacle.
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Sorry, I have a splint on and mistakes come easy. So, lets try messing with ports and such guys! How 'bout a disassembly?
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Does the nSpire have any wireless capabilities?
It's Nspire, not nSpire.
The wireless TI-Navigator definitely uses Wi-Fi, so we have the hardware. The software is another thing, however...
Maybe someone could write some drivers for a USB wireless adapter in the future. The high price of the Navigator seems to be an insurmountable obstacle.
No need to be picky on this, though, but I noticed many ppl used nSpire, especially in the french TI community x.x. But yeah TI really meant something that sounds like "Inspire" more than "An Spire". Don't worry too much about it, though, SirCmpwn.
As for ports, sorry it won't be me, because I am not into assembly and hardware stuff x.x
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As for ports, sorry it won't be me, because I am not into assembly and hardware stuff x.x
I'm into that stuff ;) but I don't have an Nspire
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with the starcraft, if it really does get cloned, it would be hard to tell the enemies from your unit, since there are no colors...
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i am sure some workarounds could be done, though, such as having the enemy darker than your units
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yep! Probably using grayscale. Anyways, those games will really be cool if they are ported.
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Btw, Ndless is not compatible with TI Nspire Computer Link Software version 1.4. It throws the following error:
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Ndless itself works fine, but is it normal, that I have to do a full reboot after I shut down the clalc?
Wenn I turn him off, and on again, I can't see anything, but on the Computer (via screenshot print service from the TI-Nspire Link software) I can see, that it is on.
So when I open the keypad, put out a battery and bring it back, turning on the calc. I can see it and play or whatever...
(Sry for the bad english, it's not my motherlanguage :P)
Edit: On my sisters nspire works everything fine, on the one of my friend is the same problem...
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This is the evil OS 1.1 power management bug. On newer calcs, some change has caused the old LCD initialization functions from OS 1.1 to not work. Try calc84's fix (found in the Omnimaga archives).
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Oh it's not really a Ndless bug, but more of a TI-Nspire OS 1.1 incompatibility with TI-Nspires manufactured after 2008. I have the same problem. It can be annoying, but the trick is to download the Reset program found in our downloads section:
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=486
Simply select this program without running it, then turn off your calc (or let it turn itself off). When turning the calc back on, at least, all you need to do is press enter so it will reboot the calc. No more need to remove the keyboard and batteries everytime.
There was an hardware change on newer TI-Nspire calculators causing power management to not work properly with old OSes. I myself had this problem even without Ndless installed.
Hopefully, in a few weeks or months, Ndless will come out for OS 2.0, which should address this problem.
And welcome here :)
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Yeah thanks I really like this page and found out that OS 2.0 has a real better menu.
So I hope you'll get it soon :D
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Actually it's ExtendeD and Geogeo who are working on Ndless. I can't wait until it comes out for 2.0. I like Ndless but right now I need my TI-84 emulation mode for Axe Parser programming and Calc84maniac Reset program linked above will not work in 84+ mode, so it's very annoying. In other words now I got 2.0 back on my calc x.x
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TI-Bank has received today a lawyer letter, asking in the name of TI for the removal of all TI-Nspire OS 1.1 copies on the server.
The letter is mentionning neither other versions of the OS, neither z80/68k OSes.
So it's definately an attack against Ndless.
(TI doesn't learn from its mistakes...)
Starting from today, Ndless 1.0 won't be able to download the OS 1.1 from TI-Bank any more.
So Ndless needs to be updated.
Critor
For reference (in french) -> http://tibank.forumactif.com/evenements-f1...nk-t5291-15.htm
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wow, just wow...
I am glad they did not ask you to delete Ndless from the site, though, but it still sucks.
Btw, in the past, TI attacked other TI sites including some french ones for hosting copies of their OSes. They simply asked the respective sites to delete these files from their webspace, but I was certain they had stopped, now, since TI-BANK had OSes for a while.
This is definitively an attack against Ndless. I wouldn't be surprised if a new OS that is not downgradeable was released once Ndless 2 comes out.
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They acted late. Lots of people have OS 1.1 copies because of Ndless...
Anyway, nothing that Ndless update can't fix.
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Wait, which law did they refer to? DMCA has no power in France!
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nvm, I read the letter. Apparently French copyright law covers this...
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Copyright.
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Ouch. That sucks.
Anyway, Ndless for OS 2.0 will be soon available, so I guess that this won't be much of a problem.
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Ouch I hope Ndless will be compatible with OS 2.0.1, which just got released by TI today (suspicious, eh?), apparently..., or at least that OS 2.0.1 will be downgradeable to 2.0 on newer calcs. Either way, for now, just do like calc/NES/SNES ROMs, keep a copy on your computer then make sure it is spread privately or through sites not affected by copyrights, so the OS can still be easy to find by people who search well.
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Really? There's a 2.0.1 version out? Did TI say what they added to it?
If they didn't say anything, then this looks suspicious. I suspect they have added more measures against Ndless. So I won't recommend anyone to upgrade until we'll know whether Ndless will work on it or not.
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On the new 2.0.1 OS, the boot2 is the same.
I was able to downgrade to 1.1, after installing 2.0.1.
But, that update is happening too early...
There must have been something very important is the 2.0.0 OS...
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What's TI trying to hide? This is intriguing! I wonder what we can do with 2.0.1... ;D
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yeah I hope they didn't fix the exploits. Also, does anyone tried installing OS 2.0.1 on a new Nspire model (the one that cannot be downgraded to anything lower than 2.x) then downgrading back to 2.0?
But again even if Ndless was made just for OS 2.0 (assuming every exploits are fixed in 2.0.1) TI will most likely send another C&D letter to TI websites to quit hosting OS 2.0
But again, maybe TI just fixed a dangerous bug that can permanently brick a calculator with OS 2.0. The TI-BANK admin appears to had this happening with his.
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Has anyone tried to downgrade from 2.0.1 to 1.1 and then install Ndless?
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Has anyone tried to downgrade from 2.0.1 to 1.1 and then install Ndless?
It's working perfectly.
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That's good to hear. This means that this update really was just to correct some nasty bug.
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Has anyone tried to downgrade from 2.0.1 to 1.1 and then install Ndless?
It's working perfectly.
Nice to hear. Did anyone tried a 2.0.1 to 2.0 one of the new Nspire models, though? If so then I guess it's good to hear if no security holes are found in 2.0.1. I know the new models can't be downgraded to anything lower than 2.0. I hope TI won't release an hardware revision that can't be downgraded to anything lower than 2.0.1, though x.x
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I saw something on TI-BANK. Quoted from one of the authors of Ndless:
J'ai regardé rapidement et la faille que nous exploitons pour Ndless 2 existe aussi dans cet OS aussi. C'est plutôt bon signe. :)
Ndless 2 fonctionne sur l'OS 1.7.2741. Concernant les OS 2, il y a encore du travail pour que l'OS reboot correctement après installation de Ndless.
Translation:
"I looked quickly and the exploit used for Ndless 2 also exists in OS 2.0.1. It's a good sign. :)"
"Ndless 2 works on OS 1.7.2741. Regarding OS 2.x, there's still work to do to get the OS to reboot correctly after Ndless installing."
The 1.7 part kinda interests me, because some people may prefer OS 1.7 to 2.0, since it doesn't have OS 2.54MP, meaning they can use xLIB fine.
EDIT: Critor mentions that the new Nspire models can be downgraded from 2.0.1 to 2.0 pretty fine. So that's good news too if it remains this way
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Honestly, there's no reason to buy one if they do release another revision. The only useful thing left to implement and still have an nspire would be a qwerty keyboard, and we all know that's not gonna happen, because of SAT/ACT
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True they need to remain SAT/ACT compliant.
Altough, my main worry with the future of the TI-Nspire is that TI won't start releasing hardware revisions of their machine that breaks compatibility with old programs like what happened to TI-Boy SE on the 84+
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True they need to remain SAT/ACT compliant.
Altough, my main worry with the future of the TI-Nspire is that TI won't start releasing hardware revisions of their machine that breaks compatibility with old programs like what happened to TI-Boy SE on the 84+
I say port the computer emulator for the GBA for pc by recompiling it for the N-spire
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True they need to remain SAT/ACT compliant.
Altough, my main worry with the future of the TI-Nspire is that TI won't start releasing hardware revisions of their machine that breaks compatibility with old programs like what happened to TI-Boy SE on the 84+
I say port the computer emulator for the GBA for pc by recompiling it for the N-spire
Sure, if you want 2fps, go ahead.
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And launch that program 2 times and link them together so as to get a whopping 0.5 fps!!!
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I think when porting programs to the Nspire we'll have to keep the lower ressources in mind. After all, my Pentium II 350 MHz could barely run a GBA emulator, so I can't imagine how slow one of the current PC GBA emus would be on a 150 MHz max machine x.x
Emulators will most likely need to be rewritten or optimised like mad to run at decent speed.
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How fast did your Pentium II run a GBA emulator? I never knew such machines could emulate a GBA in a playable way.
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about 4 FPS at lowest settings and crunchy sound. Note that this was several years ago, though. Since then, emulator code must have improved a lot. However, since they did not have Nspire handled in mind when developing them, they most likely didn't optimize their emulator to run on such machine.
It's a bit like TI-84+ BASIC games on ticalc. A lot are optimized to run at decent speed on the 84+, but they don't take in account that if they optimized even more, their game could run on a regular 83+ too.
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The ndless source code?
https://www.unsads.com/scm/svn/nsptools/Ndless/trunk/
Is it Ndless 2?
I have to compile it first, so I have to go to linux first... don't want to do that :)
Name and password are guest, I found it on a forum :D
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Looks like 1.0 to me man, sorry.
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I remember an alternative version of 1.0 somewhere, except it was a major hassle to get to work. It added compatibility with TI-Nspire Computer Link Software 1.4.
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[little rant]
Humans are failing at doing portable code for most hardware and OSes...
[/rant]
And that is notably felt in emulators because they are demanding in speed.
Even with our monster number crushers that our laptops and home computers are, they still have some difficulty to emulate the Nintendo DS. Although it is just a question to optimize the emulator until it totally runs the games.
And were are talking of 2GHz to 3 GHz X86 CPU emulating 2 ARM (67 MHz and 33 MHz). And don't say about the NDS graphics card for this case (this argument serves for most of other devices) because most computers also have a graphics card.
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where does this N-spire emulator come from?
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Goplat posted about it on United-TI. He posted some downloads (altough their board requires you to sign up)
http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=user_posts&mid=4243
I posted a version on Omnimaga for people who don't want to register on a forum just to download attachments:
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=485
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It's a bit like TI-84+ BASIC games on ticalc. A lot are optimized to run at decent speed on the 84+, but they don't take in account that if they optimized even more, their game could run on a regular 83+ too.
That's a really good point! That's pretty true. :)
DJ, are you sure that's the most recent version? I know Goplat releases them a lot. :)
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Idk, it may be one version older. I may check later
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Hey, do you guys know if it is possible to add constants to the ti nspire cx (cas)? It already comes with some constants, but I'd like to add more so I can use them in any document. I didn't see any menu for adding any. Thanks!
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You can create Library documents (you have to place them in the folder MyLib).
The functions inside will be available to other documents then under the name docname\funcname().
I think the nspire manual has more about this topic :)
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Oh ok, thanks for the reply. I looked through the manual but didn't really see anything. So what you mean is I can make a function something like myConstant() and use that in my expressions to get that number, right?... What about creating something like "_myNum" to use in expressions as with other CAS-model constants? Is that possible?
The manual I read is here: http://www.seg.etsmtl.ca/nspire/documentation/TI-Nspire_CX_Handheld_GettingStarted_EN.pdf
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I´ve got a question: how can i convert my saves to vga-m? i´ve played pokemon crystal and want to get it to my pc
please help me with a guide or sth
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I assume you're talking about gbc4nspire and VBA-M. You should be able to just send the .sav.tns file to your PC and then change the file extension back to .sav, which theoretically would work with any GBC emulator on the PC.
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yes i´m talking ´bout gbc4nspire to VBA-M
doesn´t work. i got an error message : cannot load savegame
anyone else knows more about this?
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Wow, necropost much? :P (topic split?)
Try resending to the PC - it might have gotten corrupted along the way.
The format might be different too, but from calc84's words it probably isn't. :P
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Also, make sure it's definitely the .sav.tns and not the .state.tns (the latter is only compatible with gbc4nspire)
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thank you very much
got it to work