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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #135 on: April 09, 2011, 01:37:00 am »
Ya know, this looks really funny from a non-calc dev viewpoint - how did 3.0 drop down to 1.7?
And where's 2.0? Yup, TI's looking like a fool with their pants on the ground. ;)

I wonder what the TI Nspire Google group's reactions are... :P

The Nspire Google group's teachers are a pot of gold to TI.  Because they buy class sets of calc's instead of single personal calc's, TI spoils them with perks.  They know they have a good thing going so they are going to support anything TI does no matter how good or bad it may be. 

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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #136 on: April 09, 2011, 02:47:29 am »
They probably wish OS 2.71MP became a reality. O.O (well... without the bugs, that is)
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #137 on: April 09, 2011, 03:59:46 am »
Yes, at least for several vocal participants of the group...
Trying to do such OS would be a waste of time from TI's side, however, since we can sign arbitrary OS for the TI-Z80 series anyway :D
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #138 on: April 09, 2011, 06:28:50 am »
3.0 TNC/TNO must be different than previous ones.


- it's impossible to install them on OSes 1.1-1.3
- it's impossible to install them on an Os-less boot2 1.1

You get in both cases:
Code: [Select]
IMAGE: verifying file "/tmp/TI-Nspire.nosamples.tno"
IMAGE: header mismatch
TI_OS_INSTALL_VERIFYING_RESOURCE (95)
Deleting file [/tmp/TI-Nspire.nosamples.tno]
TI_OS_INSTALL_FAILED
  TI_OS_INSTALL_IMAGE_INVALID

- it's impossible to install them on 1.4-2.1 oses running over a 1.1 boot2:
Code: [Select]
IMAGE: verifying file "/tmp/TI-Nspire.nosamples.tno"
IMAGE: BOOT2 upgrade required


To install OS 3.0, you need:
- an OS-less boot2 1.4
- a 1.4-2.1 OS running over a 1.4 boot2



So, it seems the work that hasn't been done with OS 2.1, has finally been done with OS 3.0. Instead of permanently freezing your calculator like OS 2.1, OS 3.0 just doesn't install. Note this major bug was reported by TI-Bank in july 2010. It took them 9 months, and many TI-Nspire calculators were bricked during that time...
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #139 on: April 09, 2011, 08:08:33 am »
They probably wish OS 2.71MP became a reality. O.O (well... without the bugs, that is)

The sad thing is that none of this had to happen.  TI created push to test to prevent cheating  and they could have created something similiar, to prevent games being used during class only.  Then they could have worked with the developer community, instead of trying to stamp it out, and sanctioned 3rd party programs like smart cell phones do, and that would have made their nspires even more popular, but no they chose to take sides and stamp out games just to suck up to teachers.  (Thats the sucking sound that you hear when you get near an nspire.) 

When popular games get ported to the Prizm and students start buying the Prizm as a result, TI will have to rethink their position.  I just hope that Casio won't make the same mistake that TI did and also try to destroy the developer community.  Actually in many ways it is in Casio's best interest to work with the developer community.  You might write to them suggesting that they work with us.  If there was a Casio online app store similiar to what Apple has for their iphone that would be hugely beneficial for promoting Prizm sales!         

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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #140 on: April 09, 2011, 12:37:56 pm »
The new TNOC version (1.21) is available.
Levak and me have fixed the code yesterday evening.

It should now generate "valid" 3.0 TNO/TNC files.
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=archives&ac=voir&id=1922

Please report any problem.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #141 on: April 09, 2011, 02:14:31 pm »
Just look at the chart:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1039

With TNOC and the new 3.0 CAS OS, you're getting more than 20Mb free space!!!
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #142 on: April 09, 2011, 02:31:55 pm »
3.0 TNC/TNO must be different than previous ones.


- it's impossible to install them on OSes 1.1-1.3
- it's impossible to install them on an Os-less boot2 1.1

You get in both cases:
Code: [Select]
IMAGE: verifying file "/tmp/TI-Nspire.nosamples.tno"
IMAGE: header mismatch
TI_OS_INSTALL_VERIFYING_RESOURCE (95)
Deleting file [/tmp/TI-Nspire.nosamples.tno]
TI_OS_INSTALL_FAILED
  TI_OS_INSTALL_IMAGE_INVALID

- it's impossible to install them on 1.4-2.1 oses running over a 1.1 boot2:
Code: [Select]
IMAGE: verifying file "/tmp/TI-Nspire.nosamples.tno"
IMAGE: BOOT2 upgrade required
Based on reverse engineering the two versions of boot2, here's the explanation of this:

In 1.4, TI realized that they might one day want to prevent new OSes from installing on old versions of boot2. They added a new field type: the 8220 field contains a version string indicating the minimum allowed version of boot2 to use. If the 8220 field is too high, you get "IMAGE: BOOT2 upgrade required". But boot2 1.1.xxxx didn't recognize the field yet and would just ignore it! So to deal specifically with boot2 1.1, they added a second new field type: the 0010 field. If its value is nonzero, then the first byte of the 80F0 field is the complement of what it ought to be, which will cause boot2 1.1 to fail validation ("IMAGE: header mismatch").

OS 3.0 contains an 8220 field containing the string "1.4.0", and an 0010 field containing an 01 byte. They really should have done this with 2.1, but I guess by this time they had forgotten about the bug in boot2 1.1 preventing it from loading large OSes, and they didn't bother to test with it.

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So, it seems the work that hasn't been done with OS 2.1, has finally been done with OS 3.0. Instead of permanently freezing your calculator like OS 2.1, OS 3.0 just doesn't install. Note this major bug was reported by TI-Bank in july 2010. It took them 9 months, and many TI-Nspire calculators were bricked during that time...
I wouldn't call that "bricking"; it was easily fixed using the maintenance menu and OS 1.7 or 2.0.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #143 on: April 09, 2011, 02:38:34 pm »
thank you veru much for discovering and explaining all that, Goplat.


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So, it seems the work that hasn't been done with OS 2.1, has finally been done with OS 3.0. Instead of permanently freezing your calculator like OS 2.1, OS 3.0 just doesn't install. Note this major bug was reported by TI-Bank in july 2010. It took them 9 months, and many TI-Nspire calculators were bricked during that time...
I wouldn't call that "bricking"; it was easily fixed using the maintenance menu and OS 1.7 or 2.0.

Easily for people like us.
But not for people who just bought an Nspire, plugged it to the computer, and got the "update" dialog box...
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #144 on: April 09, 2011, 02:46:09 pm »
Not to mention that TI can remove these OS versions any time - in fact, they just (temporarily ?) did.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #145 on: April 09, 2011, 03:47:45 pm »
Any thoughts on a version of Ndless for System 3.0?
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #146 on: April 09, 2011, 03:49:36 pm »
Of course there is :P but it's not exactly easy to make it. It needs something to exploit, and a program written for said exploit. For the most part, each ndless version runs completely different methods, the only exception being that, IIRC, 1.7 and 2.0 used the same exploit.

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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #147 on: April 09, 2011, 03:51:52 pm »
For now I'm sticking with 2.0 anyways. And what new features does 3.0 offer that really matter?
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #148 on: April 09, 2011, 04:39:15 pm »
3D graphing.

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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.0 Released: Nleash no longer working
« Reply #149 on: April 09, 2011, 11:34:17 pm »
what does os 3.0 even offer thats majorly different? nothing really at all haha

3D graphing and a new UI.

EDIT: Holy crap, I missed 9 whole pages O.O x.x
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