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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2010, 11:51:10 pm »
With Doors CS, you can organize all your progs into files. The only problem is, during a crash, they get reset. Now, if only Kerm could find a way to make your file structure crash-proof, then to me, it would be a perfect shell.

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2010, 11:58:09 pm »
Yeah, I had this problem in MirageOs too. I wish both were made to keep the folders (and their remaining content) intact after a crash.

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2010, 12:09:42 am »
Well I think there was discussion on how to do that. It's currently using the VAT to do folders, and it's rebuild after every RAM wipe so the folders are lost. The oly problem with appvars and such is that it will increase wear and tear on the ROM.
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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2010, 12:10:21 am »
This worked for Mirage (only one though)--archiving the appvar. But the next time u run mirage, it gets unarched
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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2010, 12:16:04 am »
When I had a crash inside mirage (when running a game, for example), the Mirage appvar was gone afterward, with all my folders

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2010, 12:17:04 am »
I always thought that it could just copy the appvar to the ram, as in reading directly from the archive.

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2010, 12:21:13 am »
Yes. You see, i tested it. First, i created a file structure. I then archived the mirage appvar. Then i crashed my calc. Upon reloading mirage, my data was intact. once you use mirage, it unarchives it (and doesnt rearchive it). Thus, if it crashes....

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2010, 12:41:26 am »
actually, once I use MirageOs, when I exit it it gets archived again, even if I manually unarchived the appvar first. Btw when I ran Mirage the first time, the appvar was archived by default too.

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2010, 12:59:13 am »
Interesting. No. I believe you. But, this is what mine did too.

* could not replicate the results of that test. May have just been a fluke, you know.

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2010, 01:04:34 am »
Idk, it's strange, really x.x. But yeah, the point is that when I used folders in Mirage before, if I got a RAM clear in a game running from there, all the content in the folders were moved back to Main and I had to move all programs again.

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2010, 01:06:51 am »
O. yeah. That happens to me all the time. I have so much stuff on my calc that any shell I use becomes unstable at some point.

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2010, 01:19:30 am »
I think I remember Brandon saying a few times (unless I'm mixing this up with something else, which is possible) that you can work around that by unarchiving the variables and setting their folders, then archiving them back. Then the folder settings will be more permanent.
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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2010, 02:21:50 am »
mhmm interesting, I wonder why it would work this way o.o, wouldn't it be supposed to be easier to preserve folder settings for archived stuff?

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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2010, 07:32:53 am »
IIRC, it was because it uses the VAT to store the folder ID. The VAT entry can't be modified permanently while a var is archived, I don't think—I think it's only updated once when the var is initially archived.

I guess it's kind of like on the 68k calcs if you have a bunch of archived variables in a particular folder, and then you rename the folder without unarchiving anything. If the calc crashes or does a soft reset, the variables reappear in the previous folder name rather than the renamed one. That's because archived variables have headers in the archive that says what folder they're supposed to be in. Unless you unarchive and rearchive them again, that entry isn't updated since it's in flash rather than RAM, so data about the new folder name stays in RAM and is therefore temporary.
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Re: Doors CS 7 really coming out?
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2010, 01:47:48 pm »
mhmm I see, thanks for explaining, altough it can still a bit confusing XD

I guess all we need to do is be careful ^^