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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2011, 12:05:31 am »
Yes, it was an error. The result was actually 04C4. Sorry about that. Post edited.

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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2011, 01:01:10 am »
1. TI-84 Plus SE
2. P-02100
3. Yes (56)
4. V2
5. No
6. 55
7. 00
8. C2C4
9. 000000

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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2011, 05:32:44 am »
It's extra system RAM that TI either excluded or made inaccessible in newer calcs produced after about the middle of 2006(If  I'm remembering right). They changed the plant at which newer calculators were produced and started using a different chips which only had or are able to access 48 KB of the extra RAM.

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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2011, 12:05:40 pm »
Though it probably just isn't there. It was presumably a money-saving maneuver, and it doesn't save money to keep the RAM there.
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2011, 05:54:14 pm »
1. 84+
2. P-0508L
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2011, 10:32:52 pm »
1:TI 84+SE
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4:v2
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2011, 08:12:25 pm »
I was asking myself :
It seems that the only way to know if a calc needs alcdfix or not is to try a program which is known to display distorded stuff with problematic calcs.
Is there another proper way to be 100% sure of it, by checking some ports or something ?

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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2011, 08:13:48 pm »
I think with certain hardware revisions or something, the fix is needed b/c of bad lcd drivers.
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2011, 08:14:41 pm »
It's a typo on thepenguin77's part. It was actually 04C4.

Edit: Errr, I missed the 4th page of the topic, sorry XD
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2011, 08:17:26 pm »
* Darl181 actually did the same thing :P
I remember there were pictures on datamath of some calc, showing the different ribbons going to the display but I can't find it now :P

EDIT: some interesting stuff at http://datamath.org/Graphing/TI-84PLUS_WM08_TL.htm#PCB , old data is old but still..
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2011, 08:28:49 pm »
On the old UTI topic, they used to check the lcd fps (http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8913&st=140&p=137113&#entry137113).
It was something like :
If around 120 fps > alcdfix needed
If around 240 fps > alcdfix not needed
But the fact is, that checking this value seems to be irrelevant, since one of my calcs returns 115 fps but runs those specific games totally well without alcdfix.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2011, 08:35:44 pm by the_mad_joob »

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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2011, 11:33:45 am »
Calc84, you can call it my typo, but Art_of_camelot started it :P

The_mad_joob, the reason why yours doesn't require ALCDFIX is kind of funny, it's because your CPU is so dang slow. This affects the test in two ways, 1) it made the fps a lot slower than it should have been, purely because the CPU couldn't keep up, 2) when you are actually drawing stuff to the screen, the cpu is again slower and doesn't go faster than the LCD. Runer had the same thing happen to his calc.

Shmibs, could you find a way to get the results of that K calculator, really all we need is the port 15 value, which you can get with calcsys. I'm interested in K's because they are weird sometimes


Code: [Select]
Known manufacturer IDs are

ID Manufacturer
01 AMD
04 Fujitsu
7F Unknown
C2 Unknown

Known device IDs are

ID Device
23 512 K (4 megabit) (old units)
B9 512 K (4 megabit) (new units)
C4 2048 K (16 megabit)
DA 1024 K (8 megabit)


Data Chart

Note: VS = ViewScreen

Model HW Bad LCD V# All RAM Port 15 Port 3A Chip ID Boot Owner
83+VS I-0299A Yes 2 N/A 15 No 0123 010146 the_mad_joob
83+ S-0404D 2 N/A FF N/A 04B9 0101FF Art_of_camelot
83+ S-0504B 2 N/A F5 N/A 04B9 01017E Art_of_camelot
83+ N-0405G NO 2 N/A 75 N/A C223 0000FE shmibs
83+ S-0407K No 2 N/A 00 N/A 01B9 000086 ztrumpet
83+ S-0508K No 2 N/A 00 N/A 01B9 000045 Juju

83+SE I-0302A No 2 Yes 33 00 04C4 000000 ztrumpet
83+SE S-0303C 2 Yes 33 00 04C4 000000 Art_of_Camelot

84+SEVS S-0404 No 2 Yes 44 0F 04C4 000000 the_mad_joob
84+SEVS S-0404 No 2 Yes 44 0F 04C4 000000 Mighty Moose
84+SE S-0404 No 2 Yes 44 0F 04C4 000000 Runer112
84+SE S-0704A No 2 Yes 44 0F 04C4 000000 leafiness0
84+SEVS S-1204A No 2 Yes 44 0F 04C4 000000 JosJuice
84+ S-0305B Yes 2 Yes 45 00 04DA 000000 Darl181
84+ S-0805C Yes 2 Yes 45 00 04DA 000000 shmibs
84+SE S-0605D No 2 Yes 45 00 04C4 000000 DrDnar
84+SE S-0306F Yes 2 Yes 45 00 01C4 000000 BuckeyeDude
84+ S-0306F No 2 Yes 45 00 01DA 000000 Mighty Moose
84+ S-0406F Yes 2 Yes 45 00 01DA 000000 Eeems
84+SE S-0606F No 2 Yes 45 00 01C4 000000 graphmastur
84+SE S-0806F Yes 2 Yes 45 00 01C4 000000 shmibs
84+ K-0207E No 2 Yes 45 00 C2DA 000000 ZippyDee
84+SE S-0607H Yes 2 No 55 00 01C4 000000 jsj795
84+ P-0508L No 2 No 55 00 C2DA 000000 Broseph Radison
84+SE P-0508M Yes 2 No 55 00 01C4 000000 thepenguin77
84+SE P-0508M No 2 No 55 00 01C4 000000 calcdude84se
84+SE P-0608M 2 No 55 00 01C4 000000 Art_of_camelot
84+SE P-0409M No 2 No 55 00 C2C4 000000 Freyaday
84+ K-0409O No 2 00 C2DA 000000 shmibs
84+SE P-0509M No 2 No 55 00 01C4 000000 ztrumpet
84+SE P-0210O Yes 2 No 55 00 C2C4 000000 ralphdspam
84+SE P-0510O Yes 2 No 55 00 7FC4 000000 thepenguin77

83+ N-0403G No
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2011, 02:25:55 pm »
Not sure if this is still needed, but here's some more data:

1. 84+
2. S-0304
3. No (as far as I know)
4. #2
5. Yes
6. 44
7. 0F
8. 04DA
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2011, 02:42:02 pm »
thepenguin77, your information is a little out-of-date. I did some more research on the flash chips:
Code: [Select]
Known manufacturer IDs are

ID Manufacturer
01 AMD
04 Fujitsu
1C EON (read from 200h)
7F Extended code, read from 200h
C2 Macronix

Known device IDs are

ID Device
23 512 K (4 megabit) (5.0 V) (e.g. Am29F400B)
B9 512 K (4 megabit) (3.0 V)
C4 2048 K (16 megabit) (e.g. S29AL016J)
DA 1024 K (8 megabit) (e.g. S29AL008J)
Notice how the TI-83+'s chip was originally a 5.0 V chip, but is now a 3.0 V chip? TI moved to 3.0 V logic. This means that the calculator will safely operate down to voltages of 3.0 V. (In fact, the flash chip data sheet says the maximum voltage you can safely supply to the flash chip is 3.6 V.) If you supply more than 3.0 V, the voltage regulator just converts the extra voltage into heat. TI really ought to update the TI-83+ OS not to signal low battery until 3.5 V, and redesign the case to accept only 3 AAAs---think of all the millions of batteries being wasted! The same goes for the TI-83+SE. It also seems that the serial port now operates at 3 V instead of 5 V. The TI-84+/SE will also operate at 3.0 V (confirmed with an assembly program running with interrupts disabled), but the USB port might not work right.
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Re: You can help us solve a few mysteries!
« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2011, 02:44:46 pm »
That's interesting, I noticed that I could run my calculator with only 3 batteries, and that explains it. Also, your data is a little out of date ;D, I just copied and pasted it.
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