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Another thing that I found ironic is how after DCS added xLIB backwards compatibility, Kerm encouraged people to use ASM libs for BASIC coders, while years ago, the very same person would discourage the usage of such libs in BASIC. (See Metroid II Evolution news comments on ticalc.org)
I have a feeling that it *might* have to do with last year's PoTY, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions.
People who think a language is worth more than another are just like people who only like one kind of music (quite the same example as DJ_O said but not exactly): narrow minded. Why not saying this, when we are at it"No seriously, you are not a good coder until you can write your program in native hex."That is nonsense.We can make good programs in every languages and make bad programs in every language too.And I find it funny from Kerm to say this about Axe after making DoorsCS <KermM_> But I don't feel they show any great programming skill, just some creative game design <KermM_> Not to mention that it's not good for real applications and games, because it creates huge executablesBut at least he didn't speak about speed.
It didn't seem that bad, I don't see what everyone is getting so worked up over.
Was anyone really singled out, beyond Quigibo, Albertho and Ashbad? No one was being picked on directly, only opinions and views were being expressed, discussed and debated.And for all of you others that might read this, remember, KermMartian is NOT the embodiment of Cemetech. The users are Cemetech. And you will see there is a lot of pro user posts for Axe that have given him counter arguments.So instead of bashing Kerm or Cemetech by only posting snippets instead of the whole discussion, go read it all for yourself, see what is said, what is agreed to, and what arguments are made against other aspects.
Quote from: albertI have a feeling that it *might* have to do with last year's PoTY, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions. Glad you didn't jump to conclusions; I had completely forgotten about that.
As someone that has remained neutral in the whole matter, I have to point out that I rather dislike the fact you blatantly pointed out in such a manner, and I quote:QuoteHowever, it seems that some people do not realize that certain people just like to program games because they like making them, not always because they love challenges of programming that some languages provide.And linking it directly to the Cemetech thread with that text.Omnimaga was not once mentioned in his post, and to that end, wasn't saying people shouldn't use Axe.I am rather sad to see that you would word it out in such a way, DJ.
However, it seems that some people do not realize that certain people just like to program games because they like making them, not always because they love challenges of programming that some languages provide.
The discussion on the thread has remained in an intelligent conversation with different people posting their views. It has not once turned in to an 'OMG YOU SHOULDN'T USE AXE IT SUCKS' thread.
[Ashbad] While I have my complaints about Grammer (I still am unimpressed with the fact that simple cellular autonoma routines built into the language...) I am personally hopeful it'll be the cause of Axe losing it's heated popularity
QuoteAnyway I'M kinda glad that here we do not single out our programmers just because of the language they use to create games.Was anyone really singled out, beyond Quigibo, Albertho and Ashbad? No one was being picked on directly, only opinions and views were being expressed, discussed and debated.
Anyway I'M kinda glad that here we do not single out our programmers just because of the language they use to create games.
<KermM_> I dislike that people use it as an excuse for not learning z80 ASM
[Ashbad] But, the problem is that half of the community treats them as "uber hax0rs"
<KermM_> It doesn't say a whole lot about the programmer's skills; it rolls out grayscale and everything else for them
And for all of you others that might read this, remember, KermMartian is NOT the embodiment of Cemetech. The users are Cemetech. And you will see there is a lot of pro user posts for Axe that have given him counter arguments.
So instead of bashing Kerm or Cemetech by only posting snippets instead of the whole discussion, go read it all for yourself, see what is said, what is agreed to, and what arguments are made against other aspects.
DJ_O: Regarding your first post in the topic, I encourage you at least to have the courage to name me directly instead of saying things like "some people" repeatedly. You'll noticed that only I expressed any reservations at all about Axe, and if you read through the topic, you'll see that a very high-brow, mature, and intelligent discussion was being conducted on both sides of the table. Well-thought-out posts were being made, and everyone was being respectful of each other as programmers and as individuals. I'm sorry to see that you elected to imply that Cemetech as a whole was at fault despite my disclaimer warning that I am Kerm, I am not Cemetech, and that Cemetech by definitely has a wide variety of views on Axe ranging from abject adoration to skepticism, with each member having the freedom to make their own decision.
Quote from: HayleiaPeople who think a language is worth more than another are just like people who only like one kind of music (quite the same example as DJ_O said but not exactly): narrow minded. Why not saying this, when we are at it"No seriously, you are not a good coder until you can write your program in native hex."That is nonsense.We can make good programs in every languages and make bad programs in every language too.And I find it funny from Kerm to say this about Axe after making DoorsCS <KermM_> But I don't feel they show any great programming skill, just some creative game design <KermM_> Not to mention that it's not good for real applications and games, because it creates huge executablesBut at least he didn't speak about speed. You'll notice that everyone in the intelligent discussion on Cemetech was careful to discuss only the languages, not insult any coders in particular. Everyone in this community has value as a coder and as a person, and singling anyone out for insults is in poor spirit as a member of a larger community. I encourage you to post a topic on Cemetech discussing your concerns with the size and/or speed of Doors CS to my face so that I can explain the number of features painstakingly packed into its 48KB rather than cowardly insulting me behind my back. I try to make an effort to be brave enough to speak to people directly when I want to discuss their programs, and I look forward to a future positive relationship with you as a member of the larger TI community (and perhaps Cemetech) if you'd like to join me.
...any perceived insults lie more in the mind of the beholder than the participants.