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CX or Prizm?
« on: March 12, 2012, 04:40:48 pm »
I've been thinking about getting a new calculator; either a CX or a Prizm. I know each has their advantages and disadvantages. Which one should I get (and why)? Also, money is not a problem. I have enough money to get either one.
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2012, 04:42:26 pm »
When I was deciding, people prompted me to get a Prizm. So I did.
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 04:43:58 pm »
I would say prizm because casio isnt trying to screw over its dev community like ti is
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 04:50:50 pm »
The Nspire has more raw power, but is a closed platform, and TI is trying every trick to close users' right to run whatever software they want on the platforms they own; the Prizm is more open, but has lower raw power.

Also noteworthy is the fact that the Nspire has a CAS version, while the Prizm doesn't (at the time of this writing, and AFAICT): if you're not taking any silly exams which forbid usage of the CAS, it might tip your balance :)
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 05:06:55 pm »
Quote from: Spyro543 on March 12, 2012, 04:40:48 pm
I've been thinking about getting a new calculator; either a CX or a Prizm. I know each has their advantages and disadvantages. Which one should I get (and why)? Also, money is not a problem. I have enough money to get either one.
That's a no brainier.  Get the Prizm.  Two thing are clear. First, beyond a doubt TI will continue to make life difficult for developers so the programmers will continue to migrate to Casio.  Secondly, the TI customer service people (1-800-TI-CARES) really don't care and mostly aren't qualified to offer any assistance any way!  Casio represents the future.  TI represents the past.
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 05:25:57 pm »
Quote from: Dingus on March 12, 2012, 05:06:55 pm
Quote from: Spyro543 on March 12, 2012, 04:40:48 pm
I've been thinking about getting a new calculator; either a CX or a Prizm. I know each has their advantages and disadvantages. Which one should I get (and why)? Also, money is not a problem. I have enough money to get either one.
That's a no brainier.  Get the Prizm.  Two thing are clear. First, beyond a doubt TI will continue to make life difficult for developers so the programmers will continue to migrate to Casio.  Secondly, the TI customer service people (1-800-TI-CARES) really don't care and mostly aren't qualified to offer any assistance any way!  Casio represents the future.  TI represents the past.

While the beginning can be true objectively the end of your sentence isn't right at all for me.

Casio isn't teacher oriented and doesn't make a good job at getting popular among teachers & schools, and for math etc. the TI devices will always be better.
And don't forget that's what calculators are for in the first place. If TI is restricting native programming capabilities in the Nspire, which is sad for the community, it's also very good for the teachers, for example, so it has a bad effect on some people (the community who wants to have native programming) (which isn't very important for TI for an educational point of view), and a good one for the 99,99% rest of their customers : teachers & schools.


Also, CASIO-fans say programming is better on the CX, but Ndless has proven otherwise, guys.
Jailbreaking needed or not, the final result is there :)
And in "native" development, Lua is doing a pretty good job. Especially with OS 3.2
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 07:58:06 pm »
Quote from: Dingus on March 12, 2012, 05:06:55 pm
Secondly, the TI customer service people (1-800-TI-CARES) really don't care and mostly aren't qualified to offer any assistance any way!  Casio represents the future.  TI represents the past.

Do you really need TI-CARES? You have Omni!

Personally, I slant to the CX. More power, GBC emulator, nDoom, more storage space. ndless allows native code and there is Lua natively available (with new improvements in 3.2).

TI attacking programmability? Who updates their OS anyway? As long as they don't keep on enticing people with their new features :P The physics engine is looking quite impressive, and x= graphing may draw teachers to update...
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 08:03:14 pm »
^^^ exactly
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 02:04:28 am »
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And in "native" development, Lua is doing a pretty good job. Especially with OS 3.2
That's silly, Adriweb. Lua can in no way be qualified "native", and its performance is easily more than 10 times slower than native code (it's a purely interpreted language).

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Who updates their OS anyway?
Users buying brand-new calculators. They quickly become a majority soon after brand-new calculators hit the shelves...
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 02:34:51 am »
Quote from: Lionel Debroux on March 13, 2012, 02:04:28 am
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And in "native" development, Lua is doing a pretty good job. Especially with OS 3.2
That's silly, Adriweb. Lua can in no way be qualified "native", and its performance is easily more than 10 times slower than native code (it's a purely interpreted language).

Oops yeah, I meant native as in "without any modification like Jailbraking", but you know what I meant.
And yea, obviously, it's slower than C/ASM, that goes without saying.
But it's still inifinitely faster than Basic...
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 03:51:56 am »
I personally (although I never tried a Prizm) prefer a CX.
One of the main reason it because hardware wise it beats the nspire -- but of course you will only be able to take advantage of it with ndless.
But I don't mind to wait for new version of Ndless, and I know that ExtendeD is dedicated to it. There has been an Ndless version for every OS IIRC.
And Lua is growing bigger and better, both by input of the community and TI.

As others have said, the CX (with/without CAS) just beats the Prizm in calculator terms.
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 04:32:11 am »
Maybe my article could help you?
http://ourl.ca/15482/290408
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 06:33:28 pm »

 Super article Stefan!

Having read all the posts in a very unbiased manner, I think what it boils down to is that if the new TI os cannot be hacked and a new version of Ndless be created for it, anyone that has supported ti by buying their products has no grounds for complaint.  You got what you deserve.   
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 06:48:10 pm »
Quote from: Dingus on March 13, 2012, 06:33:28 pm
I think what it boils down to is that if the new TI os cannot be hacked and a new version of Ndless be created for it, anyone that has supported ti by buying their products has no grounds for complaint.  You got what you deserve.
Nobody can make such claims yet because the firmware isn't out. It's extremely possible that there's still an exploit waiting to be discovered. Beyond that, the "you got what you deserve" comment is extremely harsh. Nobody "deserved" this; there was a risk taken, but don't rub our losses in our faces just because you support Casio.
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Re: CX or Prizm?
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2012, 10:51:27 pm »

Nobody can make such claims yet because the firmware isn't out. It's extremely possible that there's still an exploit waiting to be discovered. Beyond that, the "you got what you deserve" comment is extremely harsh. Nobody "deserved" this; there was a risk taken, but don't rub our losses in our faces just because you support Casio.
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I'm sorry Reo, I really wasn't trying to rub your losses in your faces, but the time is over due for everyone to understand that you can't have it both ways. If you really object to the way TI treats this community then show it by not supporting TI and their products.  On the other hand, how does anyone have any right to complain about the way TI treats us if they are going to support ti and their products?  I read all this moaning and groaning about how TI is doing this terrible thing with their next os update and then there is all this support for their products.  Thats rediculous.  If you don't like what TI is doing, then stop supporting them or, if you choose to support them, stop complaining.
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