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Join the protest!
« on: February 22, 2013, 05:31:07 pm »
As you know, TI is keeping us from using any of their stuff (including the OSes!) on emulators not from TI. (http://ourl.ca/18393)
I'm planning to protest against this injustice at my school. You can do the same.
What do you think?
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 06:07:13 pm »
It would be nice, but sadly since there is only 1 person per school or less who actually even care about emulating their calc, this might be hard to attract people to the protests.
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 06:30:27 pm »
Actually, there are a lot of teachers that make use of WabbitEmu.

My sister actually has to use it sometimes for her math course. The ban will likely affect them as well. So it would be feasible to get the teachers themselves involved. They've got the saying power anyways, since TI caters to them.

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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 09:23:25 pm »
And if my friends don't care about this, I'll make them care about it :P
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 12:09:48 am »
We could send ti emails complaining :P
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 01:02:09 am »
How can we protest?  What kind of stuff can we do?

EDIT: Maybe we can have a petition thing going on then once we get a lot of signatures we can send TI a letter in actual mail with all of the signatures of the people.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 01:07:20 am by _Nicco_ »
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2013, 01:35:58 am »
ZZZZzzzz...

You guys are really making this a bigger deal than it really is.

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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2013, 04:15:52 am »
Personally I would only protest if TI was to take action against 3rd-party emulation or if the 84+CSE was really slow to the point of hindering math students, not just coders, else we can't do much. Most students and teachers could care less about calculator game programmers. Of course, though, if TI really screws up bad in the same fashion as the RSA keys, by trying to take down emulators or some other third party tools, then it might work if anonymous or some other group gets involved. Two years ago, Z80man tried to convince his school to switch to the PRIZM, but teachers didn't want to learn a new calc. I still think the calc has potential for ASM coders and to a lesser extent TI-BASIC, just not as many kind of games (especially vertical scrollers). Also this might make more BASIC coders try harder to code properly. I still see too many TI-84+ BASIC games that runs at 83+ speed because the author didn't bother optimizing them.
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2013, 05:40:45 am »
* shmibs agrees with ranman
it's a EULA, which means it probably wouldn't hold up in court, as there is no way to prove that you actually read and accepted the terms when acquiring the os (you may have gotten it from the calculator of a friend who downloaded it, for example, which is a possibility enabled by TI themselves with the "send OS" option). furthermore, it would only potentially affect users, as nothing at all can be said against people producing third-party emulators without a shred of code from any TI product in them. lastly, this is all assuming that they would bother paying attention and taking action against single users in the first place, which is highly unlikely.

EDIT: all that being said, the 84+SE C is a huge disappointment, and is practically the best possible move TI could have made if their intention was to dismantle the community (or the part of it focussed on the z80 series, at least).
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2013, 06:28:51 am »
Nobody other than we read the terms and agreements anyways, so I don't think anything will change :P
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2013, 06:53:53 am »
I think that pretty much everybody agrees with the fact that the practical importance of that silly move by TI is low; but the principle of attempting to restrict our freedom is loathsome in itself, and we need to fight back vigorously. One of the ways to fight back is to spread out the word :)

Who knows whether this silly license change is not the first step of a carefully planned path backwards (for us) ? If we accept the unacceptable, they'll be all the more tempted to execute the next steps...
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2013, 06:59:49 am »
Quote from: Ranman on February 23, 2013, 01:35:58 am
ZZZZzzzz...

You guys are really making this a bigger deal than it really is.

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By downloading the application you indicate your agreement with the terms and conditions of the License.
I assume that by now all those applications have been already downloaded before that new license was there. So, if you download it from somewhere else you shouldn't have a problem(I assume).
Also, I'm pretty sure at least someone has all the OS's downloaded. I don't think it's a problem to share them with people, who definitely own the calc.

But to be honest, if you use an emulator, all you'll really need is community apps, and your own calc's ROM which you dumped yourself.
So no problem. :D
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2013, 08:33:49 am »
But wouldn't the ROM include TI's OS?
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2013, 10:23:18 am »
Yes, but if you didn't agree to that licence, since you owned that OS before that new licence came out, I don't see a direct problem.
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Re: Join the protest!
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2013, 10:35:35 am »
My cousin's school has switched completely to casio because of the pricing... so that's a start. :)
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