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Sound for calculators with bad ram
« on: July 24, 2010, 08:37:09 pm »
So I caddy during the summer, which meant that today I had 4+ hours of just thinking. And here is the result.

I have made a program that will play sound on the 84+'s with the bad ram. I just started it a few hours ago, so I'm still working on it. But I have gotten near perfect sound quality from my calculator. It uses pulse width modulation (turning the link port on and off really fast) to get the amount of voltage it needs to play a note. I currently have it set up for 44.1khz, because I wanted to keep this on off above the human level of hearing. But then shortly after I made it I realized that it is playing a 44khz note and not a 22khz note. So I'll be working on 22khz because 44kb/s really eats up calculator memory.

I also have proven to myself that my speed program was right when it said my calculator runs at 15.8 mhz and not 14.9 mhz like the first speed test program said. I figured this out because I have the song set to play at 15.5 mhz and on my calculator and it runs too fast.

I'll put a video on youtube once I get 22khz working. If you are going to test this, don't use wabbitemu. Your sound card doesn't know what to do with a 44khz note and it will sound awful. So make sure you test it on a real calculator. It is currently set up in an app and a program, the app is the music, and the program is the program. This is so I don't have to resend it every time I change it.

If you want to make your own song. You have to put it in 44,100 hz, mono, 8bit. Then use a hex editor to cut off the header, replace all zeros with ones, and put a zero at the end. (Song starts 4 bytes after "DATA"). Then you have to find a way to convert it to an app and send it to your calculator. I used brandonW's new binTo8xk and then used wappsign.

I have also included the little demo I made for myself. It's only 5 seconds long but it's 340,000 bytes on calculator. Oh, and someone please laugh at the source, the technique I used has max sound quality at the cost of the programmer. (255 subroutines each 1 t-state different from each other.
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Re: Sound with bad ram
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 08:43:49 pm »
This looks nice! ;)

Sadly, I can't try this program since I don't have an 84. :( :(


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Re: Sound with bad ram
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 08:45:50 pm »
That's awesome! :D

I need to either: 1) Find my cable converter 2) Buy another one :P
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Re: Sound for calculators with bad ram
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 09:20:51 pm »
Nice, the demo sounds awesome. (Your recording, I don't have a converter)
Too bad for the complete lack of compression (That won't fit on on 83+ and not an 84+ either IIRC)
Interesting to see where you'll take this. Good luck! :)
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Re: Sound for calculators with bad ram
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 09:50:04 pm »
that's epic.  Someone should convert a rickroll.  :P

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Re: Sound for calculators with bad ram
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2010, 09:54:03 pm »
but right now you could only do 25 seconds...
That's more than enough, actually... :P
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Re: Sound for calculators with bad ram
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 09:58:13 pm »
Those 25 seconds take 15 minutes to send to calc. But I guess that makes it even more funny if someone does it.

Oh well, 22khz coming soon. I just did the preliminary copying and pasting for my routines. The source is over 8,000 lines long now.
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Re: Sound for calculators with bad ram
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2010, 10:01:55 pm »
When your done, I think you could have a POTY in the bag.  ;)

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Re: Sound for calculators with bad ram
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 10:18:22 pm »
oh, wow x.x
But yes, it'd be totally worth it ;D
I agree, this'd deserve a POTY award, especially if you get some compression in there.
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Re: Sound for calculators with bad ram
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2010, 10:25:46 pm »
Idk about poty because I am doing almost the exact same thing that realSound does. That is where I got the idea.

But I realized that when I'm doing 22khz, I actually burn 82 t-states per byte. I'll have to look into compression because that would be awesome. I have 4 more hours coming up tomorrow. So I'll probably figure it out.
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2010, 10:32:06 pm »
cool, can't wait to see what you come up with! :D
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2010, 10:34:42 pm »
Idk about poty because I am doing almost the exact same thing that realSound does. That is where I got the idea.

But I realized that when I'm doing 22khz, I actually burn 82 t-states per byte. I'll have to look into compression because that would be awesome. I have 4 more hours coming up tomorrow. So I'll probably figure it out.

Yeah, but RealSound was already epic, yours though, hopefully, yours will work for all SE's.  (Wait...  Will this work for 83SE?)
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2010, 10:39:35 pm »
It should work for the 83+SE AFAICT.
Unless he gets compression, though, any song more than a few seconds will be SE-only due to the storage space required.
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Re: Sound for calculators with bad ram
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2010, 10:57:49 pm »
It would definitely work for the 83+ SE. The only problem with compression is that I'm out of ram and out of pages. Flash is swapped into $4000 and that's where I read from. $8000 is ram $83 has a subroutine every 64 bytes. And $C000 has page $81 and is where I am executing from.

The options for compression I see are: a form of reading the data from flash that gains more space, this would basically be a look up table type thing. Or saying screw it to user ram and using page $81 for buffering with LZ77.

But the best, and scariest way I see to do it, store sector 0 to the swap sector and use page 0 as my executing space. This would let me save user ram as well as give me both page $80 and $81 to use as storage.
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2010, 11:52:08 pm »
That'd give you access to all 64KB of address space, but it might not be worth it.
You'd have to do two or three erases every time you wanted to play a file, which makes it slow to start up and puts wear and tear on the flash.
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